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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

Just for the avoidance of doubt, I point out that I was quoting figures from the Scottish Parliament information centre blog “Energy price crisis—impacts and remedies in Scotland”.

My second question is for Tim Lord. Again according to SPICe, one of the key drivers of the recent increase in the wholesale price of gas was

“a relatively windless summer in 2021”,

which

“made it difficult to generate wind energy”.

Tim Lord said earlier that we need another reliable way to satisfy demand, and Dr Lowes referred to the National Grid’s “Future Energy Scenarios”, which specifically suggests that nuclear might be a significant part of our journey to net zero. What is your view, Tim? Is nuclear generation that reliable source? What impact could new nuclear have on the price for consumers if it can provide a reliable baseload?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

Does either of the other two witnesses have anything to say on that? I appreciate that it is a slightly niche question.

I can see that Dr Hannon wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning, panel. I will direct my first question to Dr Lowes. I was quite surprised to hear you say that North Sea gas might run out by 2035. I presume that that is a reference to the North Sea Transition Authority’s discussion of investment rather than reserves. I wonder if you would clarify that, before we set any hares running.

On that point, gas currently generates about 36 per cent of UK energy and, as I understand it, imported gas is the last unit bought to satisfy demand. That contributes to the overall price. Imported liquefied natural gas, for example from Qatar, has two to three times the carbon footprint of gas that is locally generated. Does it therefore stand to reason that one way to reduce energy prices and push us on the journey to net zero, while demand exists, is to ensure more domestic gas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

I am grateful to all the witnesses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I have one final thing to raise, convener, if I may. It is something that my friend Monica Lennon brought up earlier that really troubles me. Mr Hebblethwaite, you accept that you wilfully, consciously, and knowingly broke the law. You offended against UK employment law, a law that Parliament felt to be so important that it attached a protective award to it to mandate compliance. Does that not trouble you, as a company director, and make you question whether you are truly a fit and proper person and are discharging fiduciary duties to your company if you are content simply to break one of the strongest laws that Parliament has put in place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

On a point of clarification, I am not suggesting that you are being very generous.

It is interesting that a two-year payback period leads to the conclusion that you cannot carry out the consultation required by statute, but I will let others pick up that point.

I will move on to an issue that is interesting from the point of view of various parties. In 2019 and 2020, P&O registered losses of around £130 million, and the suggestion is that there will be a further £131 million loss in 2021, for which DP World has offered a facility of £100 million. That begs the question, how certain are you that P&O is good for the £36 million settlement and the agency fees? Have you given the agencies guarantees? They may feel that they are taking a financial risk by doing business with a company that you described earlier as “unviable” and that chooses to ignore the law of the land if a bit of money is thrown around.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That seems to be a slightly different answer from the first one that you gave me, with respect. Will that document be published and made publicly available? I would have thought that the land-based employees would need to know the details.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning. My first question is for Gordon Nelson and Martyn Raine. We have heard about the need to create around 22,000 jobs, and Gordon Nelson talked about the need to upskill the current workforce. In evidence to the committee, SDS described the current labour market as “hot”, by which I think that it meant that there is a high demand for labour and a shortage of labour due to things such as the pandemic. Are there already skills or labour shortages? If so, how are they impacting on your members and their operations as well as on the planning for the upskilling that you have talked about?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That seems to me to be the crucial point, but it begs the question: if a clear plan is required to implement the climate emergency action plan, who will drive that? Who is the onus on to create the clear plan that it sounds as though you are all desperate for?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That is very helpful. Does Ian Hughes have anything to add?