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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Rona Mackay

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that the first step in the application would be to contact a third sector organisation that has been working with the person?

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Rona Mackay

Tracey, may I have your views?

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Rona Mackay

Is there a risk that some people might fall through the net if they are not connected to a third sector organisation and are not getting support?

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Rona Mackay

The success rate in prevention of reoffending seems to be good.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Rona Mackay

Very briefly—

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Rona Mackay

Good morning. From your submissions, you seem to be broadly supportive of the bill, although you highlight resources as an issue.

I want to ask a wee bit more about the suggestion that third sector organisations, when working with individuals in a case, should be able to provide input to help to inform decisions. How would that work in practice? Are there concerns in general about how that might delay the process? What are the timings likely to be in the whole court system, if several organisations are inputting and may be working to different timescales? Has the system suffered because of a lack of information from third sector organisations until now? I think that you believe that the bill should provide the opportunity for third sector organisations to do that, so I ask you to talk a wee bit about that.

I will go to Charlie Martin first.

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Rona Mackay

I take a more straightforward view: I completely and utterly oppose the bill. There are two sides to it. There is the mission creep into our competencies and judicial system, which is quite blatant. The other side is the content of the bill. I really do not understand why the UK Government is trying to introduce this. I am not sure what its objective is. In relation to the commission, people say that it is good to investigate things, but if you look at the detail, you see that, even if it investigates, nothing can happen. There is a block on any access to justice for victims.

I cannot see any good in the bill. I realise that I might be outvoted, but I do not think that there is any purpose in delaying our decision. There should be a flat rejection of the bill. I am not sure of the worth of getting further information, because the bill, as it stands, is clear cut. I would oppose it completely right now.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Rona Mackay

I broadly agree with what Jamie Greene has said. The response to our letter was a wee bit defensive. It did not show much in the way of actual understanding of the issues that we presented, even in the case of the part in the notes about the employee assistance line. Somebody called it and was told to phone back later, but when he phoned back, he was told that they could not help him because he did not meet the specific criteria.

David Page described the trauma risk management model as a proactive model of support that officers and staff are expected to access by self-referral. We heard that that was not working, but he has not really addressed that in his responses. Those are just a couple of examples. We need to dig deeper. I agree with Jamie Greene: we need some recognition that there are problems and that we need to fix them. We have not really had that.

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

We have heard some very valid points from all of our witnesses today. The one thing that we would probably agree on is that there is a consensus for change and that everybody agrees that there are huge issues with the current system.

It is a mistake to think that the Government is not listening to your concerns—I think that it is. From what you are saying, the issue is one of timing. I get that, but I do not think that there is any value in trying to backtrack; we just are where we are now. I do not think that there is any possibility of the bill being rushed through and your concerns being ignored. We should always bear in mind that the bill itself is a framework bill to allow the Government to start the process of change. The co-design part of it is where you come in. That said, I get your point about timing, and I am not disputing it.

You have answered questions on a lot of things. My question now is: if more consultation and engagement were offered to you at this stage, would that allay some of your concerns? Would it allay some of the concerns of your members, Kate and Lynsey, and those of COSLA? It is a matter of being realistic, given the point that we are at.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Expanding on that a wee bit, we have been reassured that the new women’s custody units will go ahead as planned, following on from the two that are already up and running. Is that the case?