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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

Do you have a target date—it might only be a wish—for when you would like that to be completed?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

Katy Clark’s questions lead into mine, which relate to your opening statement, Stuart. You mentioned wildfires and the impact of climate change and everything that goes with it. Could you say a bit more about that impact and the changing demands on the service? What does that mean for resources? Does your having to deal with that offset the welcome drop in the incidence of house fires? Could you talk us through that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

That is interesting.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

I am talking about general operational initiatives, which do not require a lot of money. Are you pursuing those to the max?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

That is useful.

Malcolm, you said that money for digital investment and expansion is an absolute priority. I might have missed it, but I do not think that I saw a figure for that in your submission. Are you able to put a figure on what you will need to spend on that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

Do you envisage a phase-in of parts of the digital investment and expansion programme, depending on what investment you get, or are you going to do a wholesale digital transformation? Are you saying, “We could do that just now and it might help”? Is that the way that you are looking at it?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

It is interesting to have that on the record. Once the summary case management initiative has been fully rolled out, it sounds as though it will be very successful or even transformative. I know that you are making efficiencies and that you have set yourself a target of ÂŁ5 million. What operational changes could be made to save money? Are you up to the max with that? Are you doing that to the extent that you can?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Rona Mackay

It has been offset.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Rona Mackay

Good afternoon. My first question is a quick question for Professor Phoenix.

In your opening statement, you said that sex work is always linked to violence, organised crime and so on. Is the logical conclusion not that decriminalising it would improve the situation? If sex work is decriminalised, it would not have those implications.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Rona Mackay

Conversely, one could say that the industry would be easier to police if it was decriminalised. I agree that there are violent men and there always will be, but if it was decriminalised, that could be the case. That is just a different viewpoint. I agree with my colleague Jamie Hepburn that the overriding concern for us all, regardless of what side of the issue we are on, is women’s safety; I do not think that anybody would disagree with that.

I come to Ruth Breslin, again on the aspect of women’s safety. We heard in previous evidence about general changes that would make sex workers less safe under the proposed model. One of those relates to the potential impact on an app that sex workers currently use to flag up dangerous customers, clients or whatever we want to call them. That is quite a concern.

On your point about migrant women, I am struggling to see how they would be safer if the buyer was criminalised. Again, we heard in previous evidence about a migrant woman who was charged with brothel keeping. She was trying to keep herself safe with colleagues, but she was arrested by police, who appeared—we were told anecdotally—with a battering ram, and they made stigmatising comments about her.

I hear what you are saying, but we have heard evidence that that is not the case. I want to ask you, and the other witnesses, what your thoughts are about the fact that brothel keeping is not in the bill.