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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Rona Mackay

Good morning, panel. I will ask Stuart Munro my first question, then go on to Jamie Foulis.

Stuart, I want to pick up on something that you said. You are concerned that the legislation could have no practical effect and that the change would not filter down and so on. Could you put some context around that and expand on what you mean? It is incumbent on the legal profession and solicitors to carry out legislation that is passed here, so could you expand on what you meant by it having no practical effect?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

That leads me on to my next question, which is for all of you. In your vast experience, given the trauma that all the victims whom you support have been through, how many of them do you think would go down the route of saying, “I want to go to the victims commissioner on this”? I know that you cannot give an exact answer, as the role has not been created yet, but how many of them, roughly, do you think would want to go to the commissioner?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

That is really interesting.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

I understand that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

How much clout would they have?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

I want to continue with that line of questioning, and then I have a question for Marsha Scott. I think that it is hugely positive that this provision has been written into the bill, but I completely agree with the views that were expressed in the conversation that we have just had. Should the standards of service—on, for example, reorganising courts so that victims do not meet perpetrators, communication with victims and the conduct of defence—be spelled out more in the bill? I take John Swinney’s point about independence, but should we be more explicit about this instead of simply saying that practice should be trauma informed? If that is doable, should we do it?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

I have a brief question for Graham O’Neill. Just for clarity, I will ask you a question that I should probably know the answer to. Do refugees currently have the right to language support and interpreters when they go to court?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

My questions are solely about the victims commissioner.

Dr Hill, you talked about your good relationship with the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland and how you work well with them, and you then spoke about problems with existing legislation. How do you see that role with regard to children who are victims? Should the children’s commissioner take that role on, or should it be the victims commissioner? Do you see a clash in that regard?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

You are looking for more clarity on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Rona Mackay

Thank you. I will put a similar question to Graham O’Neill. Do you think that there is enough recognition of refugees?