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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

That is exactly the point that I was going to raise, but, just for context, before I come to that, HMP Low Moss, which is in my constituency has a recovery cafe onsite. It can see 200 prisoners engage in any given week. It says that there are pathways for external referral but a lack of available spaces, so it is kind of working, but we do not have the finished article.

Kevin Neary talked about women in prison, and I am incredibly worried about the number of women in prison and the knock-on effect on families. As Kevin said, most of the women鈥攐r a lot of them鈥攈ave addiction problems and the majority of them have been domestically abused, sexually abused or have mental health conditions. In last week鈥檚 evidence session, Kirsten Horsburgh from the Scottish Drugs Forum said that she did not think that prison is the place for people with addiction problems, and I agree with her. She also said that there is definitely an argument for decriminalising drugs. What are your thoughts on her views? Can we reach a consensus on how to deal with this? The status quo is clearly not working, so we need a radical shift in the approach.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

As Sarah Rogers has articulated, the knock-on effect on children causes even more harm than the original problem. Does anyone else want to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Good morning. I am wondering about the measure鈥檚 impact on the SCTS鈥檚 workload. I am thinking that it will not be huge, but is that being thought about?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Is there a timescale for when the measure could be fully operational?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Rona Mackay

It is almost as if you are punished for having an illness.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Rona Mackay

That is encouraging to hear. I will quickly go back to Kirsten Horsburgh on the women in prison element. Far too many women who are in prison have addiction and drug problems, and the knock-on effect that that thaton children and families is horrendous. Often, those women are in for relatively minor offences鈥攆or example, shoplifting to feed their habit. Are they there because there is a lack of holistic care outwith the Prison Service for them to access?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Rona Mackay

I will come in afterwards, please.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Rona Mackay

Thank you for that. Stephen Coyle or Suzy Calder, will you comment on the impact on prison staff of having to deal with this issue and on the impact on other prisoners who do not use drugs but might be affected by it? Do you feel that your front-line staff and NHS healthcare staff have enough training in it?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Rona Mackay

That was my point. Is the training keeping up with those changes?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Rona Mackay

I can imagine. I will ask Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins about the same aspects. Are the police keeping up with the changing market in drugs out there? How can we deal with that, and how can we detect those drugs?