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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Rona Mackay

Good morning. I have questions about non-attendance and the criteria for disqualification. There is clearly a big difference between being disqualified for misconduct and receiving a custodial sentence.

Professor Clark, in your submission, you say:

“Physical non-attendance at least once in 180 days seems like a low bar for an MSP to meet”.

and that

“Consideration of changing and updating the Code of Conduct to deal with”

that

“would seem to avoid the need for ... legislation”.

Is the bill too open about what criteria are needed in that regard? I am thinking about a situation involving someone’s physical or mental health, which is very different from somebody having committed an offence or misconduct. Should the bill set out exactly what the criteria for non-attendance should be?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Rona Mackay

The other issue is whether the bill provides enough safeguards when it comes to confidentiality and the privacy of ˿ who might have complex reasons for not being there, which perhaps brings us back to the question whether those provisions should be in the bill at all. I sense that you are all of a similar mind about who judges that, but what are the criteria and who judges whether that person should be disqualified?

Obviously, it is clear cut in other situations that involve misconduct, custodial sentences and so on. However, when somebody is absent, who judges whether they are at it? That is problematic. I do not think that there is a clear answer to that, but it should perhaps be looked at and defined a little more clearly in the bill.

I am sensing that none of you has a clear answer to that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Rona Mackay

Juliet Swann mentioned caring responsibilities, which are often a reason why elected members cannot attend. I would like to hear your thoughts on that, Annabel Mullin. Also, does the bill give enough weight to privacy and the confidentiality of a person’s personal circumstances?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Rona Mackay

It begs the wider question of whether that element is a fit for the bill. There is certainly a precedent with councillors; a law about their attendance already exists. However, now that we have moved on to a more hybrid approach to working, a closer look is needed as to whether attendance would fit in the bill and whether it would possibly be an invasion of a person’s rights to say, “You’ve not been here.” If we put to one side ill health, mental health and caring responsibilities, there are a myriad of other reasons that could prevent them from attending.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Non-fatal Strangulation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Rona Mackay

My thinking was that it would at least raise awareness, during the prosecution, that that had happened.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Non-fatal Strangulation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Rona Mackay

It is effectively like attempted murder.

I am not sure whether you will know the answer to this, but has there been an increase in reporting by the prosecution following the introduction of stand-alone legislation in England and Wales in, I think, 2022? What have the figures been like following the introduction of that legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Non-fatal Strangulation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Rona Mackay

I have a question for Detective Superintendent Lindsay Fisher and then Detective Superintendent Adam Brown.

DS Fisher, when your officers attend domestic abuse incidents, do they routinely ask whether the complainer is alleging non-fatal strangulation? Is that question asked?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Non-fatal Strangulation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Rona Mackay

Good morning. Fiona Drouet, I want to ask you something aside from our discussion about whether there should be a stand-alone offence. Do you think that, during domestic abuse prosecution, a standard, stand-alone question should be asked as part of the prosecution? Would that be helpful?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Non-fatal Strangulation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Rona Mackay

I was interested in what you said in your opening comments about the case in which someone was in a car, coming home from their mother’s funeral. You just do not imagine that that would be the setting for it. That is so random and horrifying.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Non-fatal Strangulation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Rona Mackay

It seems as though, in the numbers that Fiona McMullen quoted, a lot of cases were not proven, for want of a better term, or did not result in charges. Is there a problem with identifying non-fatal strangulation and proving it?