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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I suspect that there probably has been.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Train the trainer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Do you mean between the introduction of the bill and now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I have announced the financial support for the university, but I have also set out, in response to the convener, that the SFC is preparing conditions for funding that will support it to do just that. The conditions are important, given that this is public money. I do not think that any MSP at the committee this morning would expect public money to flow out the door without the Government attaching conditions to it, so that advice is coming to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It is fair to say that I would have hoped that we would have been able to move more quickly. There have been other issues in relation to recent changes in the SFC, which we need to be mindful of, but we are here to support this institution. I think that you know that that is the Government’s position. We will continue to engage with the management team and with the SFC, which I will meet very shortly.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It is difficult to comment on individual incidents, but would we be saying that individual incidents of restraint would always trigger support? I am not necessarily sure that they would. The level of support may vary and look different.

In Scottish education, we place a lot of trust in those who are on the front line. We say that they are the decision makers and that they have the professional skills and knowledge to decide on the best support to put in place. I think that Ms Duncan-Glancy pursued a line of questioning with some of the witnesses about what post-incident support would look like. I am happy to consider that as part of our discussions at stage 2. However, what that would look like would vary according to the individual incidents and individuals in the schools.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am sympathetic to the points that you make, convener. I would just observe that the statutory responsibilities currently rest at local authority level; I have some powers at national level, but they are limited. When we come to talk about these issues, I would like to see far more Scottish education data in that regard. I am sympathetic to the points that you have made, but local government will not be, so we need to work within the current parameters.

That said, I think that the bill, although it is very focused on restraint, speaks to a wider issue in relation to how we deliver education. I have made the same point previously. The committee will be aware of the appointment of John Wilson, which local government is not particularly fond of—I am sure that members will have seen some of the feedback in that regard. I think that, post the pandemic, we need to think about how we fund our schools, how they are governed, how we support them and what the accountability mechanisms are at both national and local level. I hope that Mr Wilson’s appointment will reassure the convener on that point.

What I would say to committee members—I have said this in the chamber, too—is this: please sit down and speak to Mr Wilson about the issues that you, as members, have encountered in relation to the delivery of education.

You raise some important points, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am happy to do so.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am about to attend a meeting with the Scottish Funding Council. We engage with it regularly. I think that the reports that the member alluded to are some months old. I saw them at the time and I was concerned by them. Of course, over a number of months, I have discussed with the SFC its position in relation to Dundee university. I will continue to have those discussions—in fact, I will do that just after this evidence session concludes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Mr Rennie, you know that I am always a positive minister when I am in front of this committee, and in engagement—