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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We are considering such options. Ms Duncan-Glancy is absolutely correct to say that, if we have 32 different councils doing 32 different things, the process will take a lot longer. The SSI will allow our councils to move at pace.

Deliverability is key. It is our expectation that the measure will be delivered. I have spoken about the funding that has been made available in last year鈥檚 budget and this year鈥檚 budget, but the SSI enables the data to be shared and allows councils to get on with it. If we allowed local authorities to do their own thing, it would be much more challenging for them to obtain that data and to work with families. As I understand it, Social Security Scotland will provide the information directly to education authorities as soon as the SSI comes into force on 19 May. That will allow them to move at pace and to contact the families in question directly.

I think that there is learning that could be taken from what we are doing here, and I accept the point about a unique learner number.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I think that Mr Rennie鈥檚 puzzlement may be informed by the release of emails in response to a freedom of information request. It is quite difficult to understand the full story but, as I understand it, two weeks ago, Richard Maconachie came to the committee and said that the Scottish Funding Council was working with the Scottish Government to identify how the 拢22 million could be put together. As I understand it from having been on the copy list, there were negotiations at that time between the SFC and the Government to identify how the 拢22 million could be made available, and that was done through 拢15 million in the budget and the extra 拢10 million that I made available, giving a total of 拢25 million, so the full funding ask was met.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It would be remiss of me to speak on behalf of Mr Dey. The approach that has been used in relation to widening access has been quite different to the one that we have undertaken with the Scottish child payment more broadly. However, I take the point that the convener has made. As I mentioned, we discussed the issue with Universities Scotland very recently. The approach in this SSI has been in the making with Social Security Scotland for many months, if not longer. It has taken longer than it should have taken to get the data share with Social Security Scotland. We want to learn from that experience and see whether the proposal is possible.

I have not been presented with advice on this, so I do not want to speak out of turn. However, I want to discuss with officials whether we could lift the approach that has been used in relation to the SCP and apply it to widening access. As I said, thus far, I have not had advice on that. There is a slight difference with the unique learning number that you spoke about. I see that Ms Meikle is nodding鈥攕he may want to come in on that point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The budget proposes funding for roll-out that is targeted at those receiving the Scottish child payment. That was also in the programme for government last September. The Government has been pretty clear about its commitment, and the issue has been discussed at length in the chamber.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not think that we are at odds here, Ms Duncan-Glancy. We agree that we want to engage with the Information Commissioner鈥檚 Office on all this in relation to data sharing, and we have done that extensively in relation to the SSI that I am here to discuss.

In relation to the Aberdeen widening access pilot, we must also be mindful that, although the Government has a role in relation to the budget and our commitment to delivery of the SCP, we are talking about Aberdeen City Council, Aberdeenshire Council, Robert Gordon University and the University of Aberdeen. The universities are autonomous and independent of Government, and our councils have the statutory responsibility for the delivery of education. What we are able to do in relation to the widening access pilot might not look exactly the same as what we have done to apply the SSI to the SCP roll-out. However, in all of those projects, we must engage with the Information Commissioner鈥檚 Office.

In today鈥檚 session, Ms Duncan-Glancy has heard my willingness to pursue the matter further with the Information Commissioner鈥檚 Office. I also hear the convener鈥檚 point on that. My view is that we should take learning from the SSI to allow us to move at pace in relation to data sharing. The widening access pilot has had challenges regarding the timescales that are associated with it, which we accept; however, the SSI that we are discussing today commits the Government to move at pace and it will mean that local authorities will have that data in their hands by 19 May, when the SSI comes into effect, and they will be able to share that data with families accordingly.

If any information or learning can be taken from the approach that I am talking about today and applied to the widening access pilot or the broader national approach, I would be keen to do that, with the Information Commissioner鈥檚 Office.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It is my expectation that, through work with local authorities, that will be delivered during this parliamentary session. That is my expectation and my understanding.

Based on my discussions with officials, we expect the vast majority of those projects to be delivered by the end of this calendar year. Some of them are more complex because鈥擨 was trying to make this point to Mr Ross鈥攖hey require more extensive building works than others do. In the budget last year, we made provision for capital spending; this year, we have made provision available for resource spending. The funding has been made available. We have also provided the regulatory updates, which is what today鈥檚 SSI is about, and we are enabling local authorities to get on and deliver on the Parliament鈥檚 expectations, particularly in relation to the budget agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Are you talking about universality?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Do you mean in relation to children who are in receipt of the Scottish child payment or universally?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We can write to the committee with further examples of how the issue is managed in our schools, to provide you with reassurance on that point, convener.