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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Will the member take an intervention?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

There are now two men thinking about my body language. [Laughter.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

There has been continuous engagement with the Information Commissioner’s Office in relation to data sharing across the board. The point that I was trying to make is that we have a local pilot happening in the north-east. On the chronology of what needs to happen next—this has been going on for some time now—the data-sharing arrangement is currently being finalised. The data sharing is due to take place in the spring, and the evaluation work is planned for later this year, at which point I would expect engagement to be undertaken with local partners and the Information Commissioner’s Office.

From that pilot we will learn how best to approach a national roll-out. Of course we will have to engage with the Information Commissioner’s Office on that, and on the learning from the pilot, but the pilot and the data-sharing arrangement have not yet been completed. The chronology of that is important in relation to the engagement with the Information Commissioner’s Office, the learning from the pilot and how we can upscale it and potentially roll it out at national level.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Indeed. No issues have thus far been raised with me or been presented to me by officials, but I would be more than happy to engage with the committee on that. As I understand it, there was no requirement to have that process completed by the laying of the SSI today, but there will be for it to come into force on 19 May.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I will sit very quietly and allow you to interrupt and interject consistently. It is not particularly pleasant, but I will allow you to continue, Mr Ross.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We will ask Social Security Scotland to provide a written update to the committee. We want more young people to have access to university and higher education, but we also want them to have access to free school meals, which is the purpose of the SSI that is before us today. We will take that point away and provide the committee with a further update on the points that Ms Duncan-Glancy has raised, which are very fair.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I engaged with the SFT on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I have set out the SSI; we are dancing on the head of a pin.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I agree that our schools work every day not to stigmatise those families who are most in need. They are compelled by legislation to ensure that they do not stigmatise, and I trust that they work in our schools every day to ensure that they do not do so.

If the children’s commissioner or the committee have any examples of children being stigmatised on the issue, I am more than happy to consider those, because that would be a real challenge. I would not want that to be happening in our schools. However, I have not been presented with such evidence in the past two years, and I trust Scotland’s teachers and the staff who work in our schools not to stigmatise. They work tirelessly, every day, in a very caring profession, and I do not think that a stigmatising approach is taken in our schools. I have not witnessed such an approach in recent times.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not think that you will be surprised to hear that I do not accept that. The Government’s aspiration for universal free school meals in primary schools remains; I stand by that commitment.

You will have heard extensively, in last year’s debate and in other exchanges in the Parliament, about the unaffordability of delivering such provision during this parliamentary term. Last year’s debate was informed by analysis from the Scottish Futures Trust, which suggested that universality would cost in the region of £256 million. Officials reminded me this morning that that figure is now two years out of date, so we can expect the cost to now be far in excess of £256 million. In the budget and in budget negotiations, we committed to a broader expansion that is focused on those receiving the SCP. If anything, I would argue that the regulations commit us to going more quickly than we otherwise would, because we would give the example—