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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

Okay. It would be good to get a response back on that.

I move to my second question. The money then flows to the SFC, which has a budget that is somewhere north of £2 billion for 2023-24. How much of that money is used to fund SFC and how much flows through to the universities and colleges?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

I have a brief supplementary question, minister, before I move on to my substantive questions. It is a point of clarification about the £26 million. You indicated that that would have been a one-off payment to the colleges for this year, but it is now being used to help to fund part of the teachers’ pay settlement, which is clearly not a one-off payment, because it needs to be funded on an on-going basis.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

I am sorry; I meant to say the total operating costs in the education directorate.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

That is about a 10 per cent overshoot. Do you not yet have the data for 2022-23 or 2023-24?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

Do you expect those to be similarly overshot?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

The third part of my question is about the Glasgow Colleges Regional Board, which forms another layer in the hierarchy. What are its costs and how much is being done to look at how much of that money can go to the front line?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

There is no answer to that yet; it is a future issue. I just wanted to be clear on that.

As other members have indicated, the college sector views the situation as very significant. Earlier this week, I went to Glasgow Kelvin College to talk about this and other matters. I get a significant amount of correspondence about the issue, as do other members. One of the issues, among many others that Glasgow Kelvin College raised with me, was about the journey of that money, if you like, from the Scottish Government down to the colleges that are on the front line. I just want to unpick a wee bit of that so that we can understand some of the numbers behind it.

The money moves from the Scottish Government to the SFC and, in Glasgow’s case, the Glasgow Colleges Regional Board. I will start with the Scottish Government. The economy directorate for 2023-24 has a £49 million budget. I know that the Scottish Government total operating cost budgets are generally significantly overspent and there is a total of £60-odd million in the most recent data that I saw from the Scottish Government. In terms of the total outturn for that total operating cost, what numbers can you give us about what happened for 2020-21, I assume, or perhaps 2021-22?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

If that is the case, the actual outturn for 2021-22 was less than the budget for 2022-23, so I assume that there will be an overspend again.

The question to ask then is what work can be done with a £49 million spend and a possible 10 per cent overshoot on it, so that we can understand what efficiencies can be made in that budget line to free up more money for the front line.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Ivan McKee

Thank you for that. Is any work being done on potential savings in those SFC administration costs?