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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill: Consideration of Stage 1 Approach

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Ivan McKee

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

Is there a role for the Scottish Government not to mandate but to guide, direct and help to share the best examples of that in order to indicate the art of the possible?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

Yes. Realpolitik gets in the way, unfortunately—that is life.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

I am old enough to remember the politics of that period of reorganisation. I do not want to go into it too much, but it was perhaps done for reasons other than finding an optimal solution to local government boundaries. We might talk about that a wee bit more, so I do not want to jump too much into that space. There are tensions between what is done at a macro level, what is done at a micro level and what is a postcode lottery versus local control and how to navigate that.

There is a big question about whether people look at the situation and think, “Maybe it’s not the right answer but, frankly, the amount of work and cost involved in restructuring is potentially a bit scary,” so they back off. There is a question about how much can be done within the existing structure, but I think that we will pick that up later, so I will stop there, convener.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

We could certainly see that with shared IT systems, shared services and shared estates.

Some of the evidence that we took from the famous Jackie Weaver about the role of community councils down south was interesting. One of the points that she made was that more-empowered community councils and parish councils in England were taking on services at a very local level and could deliver them much more effectively and cost effectively than local authorities could. I see that in my constituency with community groups taking on community halls and making them work, whereas the council could not. Do you see scope in that area as well?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

Okay. The discussion and narrative on whether that was a good or bad thing ended up being between the parties at Scottish Parliament level, rather than local authorities taking that forward. I just wanted to clarify that that was the point that you were making.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

I will get into the substance of my question. You have opened up a debate on the system and structure, with Jack McConnell starting that off, very much in the space of whether the current boundaries in the structure are effective. I want to explore your thinking on that. You mentioned the interface between local government and health boards, but that opens up another question on whether the health board structure is correct, which is a whole other subject. Clearly, stuff can be done at the regional level, through either restructuring or local authorities co-operating with one another, but there is also what happens locally with community planning partnerships and community councils, on which the committee has taken evidence. Clearly, there is an issue about whether more can be done at a very local level.

What is your thinking on that? Is there a need for a multisphere system in local government, or can it be done using the existing structure, but with more flexibility in how things are done?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

I cannot resist a follow-up question on that last point. It is hugely important. We are talking about social care spend and preventative spend in the context of local government, but, of course, it is the health service that feels the pain from that. The IJB model has not delivered on that, so do you want to comment on how that could work? Clearly, all of that, right back to ambulance queues, is a result of social care not delivering.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

That brings us nicely on to what I was going to ask about, which was exactly that: embracing radical change. What does that look like? You might want to give some examples. How does that embracing of radical change play out with councils working more closely together and with other public sector partners? Is it through shared services and back office functions and sharing premises? When I was in government, getting the Scottish Government to talk to local authorities about sharing space was, at times, an interesting challenge in both directions. Following on from that, what are the implications of that for the workforce?

Maybe you could start by talking about the radical ideas, about what is out there, what needs to happen, what can happen and how we move that forward.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

I might be naive, but I would have thought that the fact that local governments are short of money—we know that they are short of money because they never miss an opportunity to tell us that they are short of money—would be the burning platform that would persuade people to talk to their neighbour about how they can do things better. You are saying, however, that you see very little evidence of that on the ground.