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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

This is 2023, not 2009.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Okay. I have a question about staff numbers. You will have heard the evidence that we have taken. There was a bit of to-ing and fro-ing on what the numbers are. The published Scottish Government numbers indicate that there have been reasonable increases in local authority staffing levels. The retort to that is that the extra workload requires extra staff and that there have been some reclassifications in relation to arm鈥檚-length external organisations and so on. Taking all that into account, is there an agreed set of numbers, or a desire to work together to publish an agreed set of numbers, that will allow everybody to look at the situation on a level playing field? At the moment, as you can understand, it is confusing when people tell us that there have been staffing cuts but the numbers show the opposite.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Thanks. The number 1 challenge that you face when it comes to resources鈥攜ou have said that there can never be too much money鈥攊s being able to do things more efficiently. We all recognise that there is plenty of scope for that, because the technology is evolving, and there is scope for co-operation, as you have identified, between local authorities and the wider public sector and others. We have not even talked about estates or any of the scope that exists in that regard. I am slightly concerned that you are not able to quantify any of that, given that it is the biggest challenge that you have.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Feelings are one thing, but the numbers are either going up, going down or staying the same.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Ivan McKee

I know what the numbers are. The statistics say that the numbers are going up, but nobody can agree on whether that means that the numbers are actually going up. That is the problem. You will understand that it is really difficult to make any sense out of this when people keep talking about things that happened 10 or 15 years ago, which, frankly, is quite unhelpful in the context of where we are today.

I will move on. I want to explore the on-going work in looking for opportunities to do things more efficiently. Councillor Hagmann talked about digital and the automation of processes. As has been referenced, different local authorities are collaborating on shared services, and the third sector is perhaps more capable than local government of picking up specific activities in certain areas.

I want to draw out some specific examples. Can you share examples of good practice and quantify how much has been saved compared with the counterfactual? What work is on-going to drive more improvements in that regard? What impact can you see that having in helping to tackle recruitment challenges?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Ivan McKee

There is clearly a need for the group, and it is clear that Karen Adam has thought about the different aspects and understands what is required, so I am supportive of the group.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

I am aware that a lot is happening there, so it is good to hear that. Martin Booth made a good point about decentralisation often being more efficient than centralisation, not least because you can get rid of an expensive corporate function that may not be adding as much value as you think it is. I totally appreciate that point. Are you comfortable that there are mechanisms in place to facilitate that sharing? I am thinking about the Improvement Service and other work that is happening. Do you feel comfortable that such sharing is part of the daily conversation and that there are mechanisms to give effect to it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

That is helpful鈥攖hank you. I knew that there must have been something there. Perhaps you or your colleagues can come back to the committee with more granularity on that. If possible, could you put numbers on the policy changes or reclassification changes, so that we can fill that out?

My next question was going to be about why the workforce figure for Dundee is down 2 per cent, when South Lanarkshire is up 5 per cent and Glasgow is up 28 per cent. However, you have answered that. It is about the reclassification of ALEOs鈥擨 was not aware that they were previously not included in the figures.

As I said, I want to explore further the points that Robert Emmott made about opportunities for improvement, removal of duplication, collaboration between councils on back-office services and duplication in the wider public sector, including, frankly, Government directorates. Is there overlap and duplication there or with other agencies? What is happening in that space? Are you comfortable that we have robust enough mechanisms to be able to share best practice, collaborate, understand and drive that as a way of working rather than that being something that we do exceptionally and when under pressure?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ivan McKee

Okay. Perhaps the head count has gone somewhere else. Johanna, do you have any comments to make?