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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I will follow that up. You mentioned having consistency, which makes a lot of sense. The committee took evidence on that. However, there is also a provision for ministers to increase or decrease the size of the zone at specific locations, which obviously goes against consistency because, as soon as that provision is used, there will be inconsistency. Therefore, first, I want to understand how you would square that.

Secondly, is there value in giving comfort about prevention of misuse of ministerial power, potentially by setting out maximums and minimums, in the legislation? That would put guardrails around the size of zones going up or down.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I want to unpick that a wee bit, as it is important for us to understand where the lines are. Let us take the example of a place of worship within the 200m zone, and let us say that there are some signs outside that talk about repenting for sins and so on. Another example might be a service with singing that is audible from outside, and the messages might or might not be deemed to be relevant to what is happening in the healthcare centre. Where would you see the line regarding such activities being?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thanks.

Helpfully, you have indicated that, as far as you are concerned, chaplains working in hospitals, the conversations that they have, any information that they might provide and any advice that they might give would be excluded. Is there an exemption for that and for what we have just discussed in relation to places of worship within the zone? Is that covered in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thankfully, there has not been a strike here as there has been in other parts of the United Kingdom but, if there were such a strike, that would be an effort to seek to persuade people not to access or provide services.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thanks for putting that on the record.

On the penalties that the bill sets out, the fines are higher than those in Northern Ireland, but the penalties stop short of custodial sentences. What is your perspective on what is appropriate?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Our next item is evidence from the Ethical Standards Commissioner. I welcome Ian Bruce to the meeting and I invite the commissioner to make some opening remarks.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you. That has been noted.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Great. Thank you very much for that update.

Stephen Kerr will ask the first questions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Ivan McKee

No, no. Just cover what needs to be covered, and other committee members will come in as appropriate.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Indeed.