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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

My concern is that we are all chasing a golden pot of money, when there is a possibility that such a thing does not exist in reality. It would be nice to put the issue to bed once and for all.

Moving on to the public health supplement, you have already indicated that you will have a look at that. Can you say anything more about what you might do in that respect, when you might come back with a perspective on it and who might be impacted? In the past, it was the larger retailers and supermarkets that were impacted.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

So, the data is based on facts, with a robust statistical analysis to isolate the different variables.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Okay, so that would also be an automatic process.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

“Automatic” means that you would not have to come back here every year and argue for another 5p or 10p. It would just happen.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

And that view was based on the situation in 2018, not in 2012, when the 50p price was first proposed.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Next, I want to focus on the points that Paul Sweeney made. The public health supplement applied before minimum unit pricing, so it is important to separate the two; they were not dependent on one another, although they are potentially related. Something that has danced around us in the evidence sessions and that we have struggled to get our arms around is whether retailers or producers have seen an increase in revenues as a consequence of MUP. We heard in evidence from cider producers that there was an increase of 300 per cent or thereabouts in the retail price of their product, but an 80 per cent reduction in the volume of sales. That would suggest that they have seen, perhaps, a 20 per cent reduction—not an increase—in retail revenues, because the reduction in the volume sold has outweighed any increase in price.

Do you have any data on that, other than what we have managed to piece together through that evidence? I would expect His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs to have some pretty robust data on that, even if the industry itself is unable to provide us with anything. Do you have data on that so that we can put the issue to bed once and for all?

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

On the different products, yes. If you get anything, it would be helpful if you could give to us, so that we can put the issue to bed. Do you have any other data on this?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning, minister. I have a brief supplementary question following on from the conversation around Sandesh Gulhane’s question. With regard to underage drinkers and the effect of MUP, I absolutely agree that, anecdotally, there seems to be a lot less alcohol consumption among people in that age group these days, whether that is due to MUP or other factors. I understand that we might not know why that is.

Has any work been done to analyse whether trends in Scotland on the reduction in consumption of alcohol among young people are significantly different to trends in the rest of the United Kingdom? That might point to policy choices here making more of an impact. That would be interesting data, if it is available.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

To be clear, I assume that data is available on alcohol consumption rates in Scotland versus the rest of the UK. What does that show for young people?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I have some specific questions, but I just want to go back to a couple of things about facts and modelling, so that we can get your responses on the record. It is my understanding that the analysis has been based on facts and statistics but also addresses a counterfactual, because of other variables in the mix. It would therefore be incorrect to say that it is not based on facts. Is that the correct analysis?