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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I do not, for the reasons that I have identified.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I can understand that observation. To be fair, I note that I was not aware of the committee鈥檚 membership. However, if people from the money advice sector or people with other perspectives are on the committee, I am sure that they will make their voices heard. The committee is there to gather views and to reflect and sense check, and to see whether there might be unintended consequences. I am sure that its members would be well able to highlight where they saw concerns, and that those concerns would be taken on board. However, if you require any more information about the committee, I will seek to get it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I was not a Government minister at that point in time. My understanding is that the proposal was made in advance of the ministerial control framework being in place to assess it. As I say, the programme for government will come out in September, and it will contain the work that the Government proposes to take forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

In relation to the seven existing commissioners, this goes back to what I said about it not being the Government鈥檚 role to decide to close down the offices of commissioners. People would rightly have concerns if the Government stepped into the parliamentary space and said that certain commissioners were no longer required and would be discontinued. Such a review should, rightly, be carried out by the parliamentary authorities.

As I said, there is a process for assessing whether new commissioners are required. The mechanism of including a sunset clause could absolutely be part of the toolkit, if everyone agreed that a commissioner was required and the proposal had passed through the control framework and other assessment processes. A sunset clause might be quite a valuable and helpful mechanism to guard against exactly what you have described.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Yes. I have extracts from the MCF in front of me. The criteria to be considered include whether the function or service could be carried out by an existing body such as the Scottish Government, an executive agency, or any other public body that has already been established. A number of other questions are asked, in a similar vein.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Yes, but the counterfactual is important. If part of what they see as being their role is to change perceptions and priorities, you could argue that, in an advocacy role, that is what they are trying to deliver. They are not necessarily trying to deliver a service.

However, you could also look at, for example, child poverty, and say that Scotland is clearly in a significantly better place than the rest of the United Kingdom. You could argue that there is evidence that supports that, but whether you attribute that to the Children and Young People鈥檚 Commissioner Scotland is a matter for debate and for the relevant committee to dig into in more detail.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Again, we might want to take more information directly from those who work in that space in Government, but, clearly, it is hugely important that the Scottish Fiscal Commission is independent of the Government. I am new in post, but I understand that the extent to which its budgeting process is assessed and its direct interaction with the Government over its operational efficiency will absolutely be part of the conversation. That said, it is hugely important that we draw a line between that and its independence in the way in which it carries out its function.

It is an interesting point, though, and I am happy to explore it further and come back with more specifics.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That is up to Parliament to decide. I will not tell the convener how to run his committee, but if the committee decided that it wanted to do that, the Government would be supportive of that step.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I will be careful what I say. It surprised me, but, as I said at the outset, it is absolutely not Government鈥檚 job to tell committees which witnesses they should bring in and what they should ask them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That would primarily come through the committee structure, so that relates to the answer that I have given: Parliament would bring people in and take evidence from them through its committee structure, and it is in everybody鈥檚 interest that parliamentary committees are doing that as effectively as possible.