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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

It does, to some extent. I hear what you are saying, but the issue is that we would be trying to deal with the same thing across many programmes and portfolios. If everybody queued up and said, “Just give me a wee bit extra this year”, because of this or that, it would defeat the purpose of our having controls in place and trying to manage things. It would just create more variability with regard to the numbers that we have talked about and our being able to land the 2024-25 spend within the budget and borrowing restrictions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes—but it is quite late in the day before we can be certain about the known unknowns. We have already had a conversation about the £350 million, and we have talked about social security and a range of other factors on which there might be quite significant movement as a result of demand and other variables on which we would not expect to have final data yet.

By the point at which we would be able to do that, we would probably just be throwing money at something that was not ready, which would be inefficient allocation of resources. If someone has a plan that starts at the start of the new financial year, the most efficient and stable approach is to start it at the start of the next financial year instead of trying to bring things forward a few weeks and having a scramble at the end of this financial year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I think that what I said was that we would come back with the historical numbers—that is, what has been in the budget and what has been allocated in-year. Obviously, there is broader work taking place on public service reform and ensuring that all public bodies operate more efficiently. Clearly, the SQA will be no exception to that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Are you referring to what they spend the money on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

It is also very inefficient to start winding up projects at year end if you have not planned how they are going to be executed properly; you just have to step back and say that they are still running. The accountancy aspect behind that is all about ensuring that the numbers add up, so that we can bring the money back in at year end and then push it back out again in the new financial year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

That is all right.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

We will come back to you on the specifics of that issue. It is being dealt with in the net zero portfolio and I do not have the details of those specific projects. We know the funds that will be used, but I will come back to you with information on specific projects from the net zero portfolio.

However, to put the counterfactual to you, if we had not used that money to balance budgets, or if that had not been the intent previously, and we had instead cut health or local government spend, I am sure that you would have been one of the first to complain that we were not using available funds but were cutting essential public services as a consequence.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I am happy to provide information on that. As you know, I am keen that we continue to focus on the contingent workforce as well as the total number of civil servants and the number of those on higher grades.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I am focused on both of those things. I have fortnightly calls in which I go through many charts, graphs and numbers and look at the matter in fine detail. In the current period, the controls are quite different.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

It makes sense to hold it in the finance portfolio. As I said, we could make guesses about what might impact different portfolios and allocate accordingly, but that would not really help because, if it did not turn out that way for specific portfolios, we would be moving money back in and then moving it back out again. It makes more sense to hold the money centrally and to be able to allocate it, depending on what happens with the variations that I have outlined as they transpire and as we move towards the end of the year.