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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

My colleague, the Minister for Parliamentary Business, would tell us that there is absolutely no space in the calendar for this parliamentary session. Given the timescale, I think that you are talking about doing that in the next session. In theory, the Government would welcome anything that would make the landscape more effective and efficient and that applies to this committee’s remit to look at Parliament-supported bodies and to the larger and wider landscape of public bodies. We are absolutely willing to engage in that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

I can talk about my experience, although the three former ministers who are on the committee all have their own experiences of different portfolios to talk about.

A commissioner is one voice among several. Their impact will depend on the context, the portfolio, what the issue happens to be and on whether the commissioner comes up with something important or significant, but that impact could also come from a range of other directions.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The direction of travel is to look for opportunities to simplify the landscape. To be clear, we do not see structural change as the first port of call. There is a lot that we can do before we get to structural change, including having co-operation between public bodies, the sharing of services and resources, removing duplication, working in clusters and so on. If that leads us to a place where structural reorganisation is the right answer for the broader public body landscape, we will move into that space. Where legislation is required to do that, we will take that forward. We do not start with that, however; we get to that once we have exhausted everything else.

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

When you say “different functions”, do you mean different—

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Absolutely.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Given that ministers are held accountable for that to the Parliament and the public, and were elected to do so, it is important that ministers are able to have an influence. If we end up in a place in which performance is not where it should be, it is important that ministers are able to engage proactively with a public body to ensure that we can resolve the situation.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

It is questions in the chamber from you, Mr Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Who was that evidence taken from?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The answer is yes, in the sense that we are always looking for opportunities or examples of where that is the case. When I meet cabinet secretaries, I always ask to what extent they are considering the bodies under their portfolio, whether there are overlaps and whether there is scope for consolidation.

Another interesting point concerns overlaps between different portfolios. We tend to consider things in the portfolio space, but we can also ask what specific expertise a body brings to the public sector landscape. The body might have expertise in doing something that cuts across portfolios, such as making payments, gathering revenue or a specific function such as standard setting. We are also in the business of looking for opportunities where we can capitalise on the expertise that is out there and that public bodies can offer as a service to other public bodies, which means either that those other public bodies do not need to do it or that we can consolidate.

There is a job for Government there, and very much a job for public sector leaders. Nobody knows everything about all the 130-odd public bodies and what they are all doing, or what different people in different bits of those bodies are doing. There is absolutely a role for public sector leaders to engage, and many of them are very proactive in that space.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

That is up to the Parliament, if it wants to make that case. Are you referring to capacity in terms of the number of ˿ or committees, or the amount of time that committees spend on specific things? In what sense are you talking about capacity?