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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a few further questions. In the policy memorandum, you cite the different jurisdictions to substantiate what you said earlier, which is helpful for Parliament.

Liam Kerr asked about the effect of criminalising the purchasing of sex. Will you say a bit more about the effect, as you see it, of decriminalising the sale of sex and any potential effect on enforcement?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

I thank Ash Regan and her team for being here today and for all the work that they have put into tackling the issue.

How do you envisage enforcement being undertaken? Earlier, you spoke very powerfully about how existing law has helped to tackle street prostitution, and the challenge that we face in the 21st century with indoor prostitution. I would be interested to hear more about how you think that enforcement would be done.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

The reason I ask is that the bill was talked about in that period from 2022 until its publication in 2025. However, during that time, for example, the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill was published and is now at stage 3. It surprises me that your bill was significantly discussed in the public domain and in the media before the proposals had been established. In your discussion of the bill in the parliamentary arena, the media and other public ways, there were many references to a domestic abuse register, but that is not referred to in the bill. If you want effective practical change in the legal system, I am surprised that you have not engaged with the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill and that you have not looked at the Education (Scotland) Bill with regard to the part in the bill that is about education as a possible vehicle for change. That would seem like a more practicable way to change the law, rather than spending four years talking about a member鈥檚 bill before its publication. It perplexes me that you did not do that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

Yes; early this year. Thank you for correcting me.

There is quite a long time between 2022 and 2025, and that surprises me, if I am honest. I appreciate that a consultation has been done, but how much engagement did you have with the Scottish Government on the issues?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

Have you engaged with the Scottish Government?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. I have one final question. You spoke earlier about how you and your team have progressed the preparation of the bill, including the drafting, the evidence and the research. If the bill were to proceed to stage 2, would you be looking to engage with the Government to utilise its facilities for legal drafting, to get advice on competence and on all the other points that would need to be satisfied in order to produce an implementable and appropriate piece of legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

First, I reiterate what the convener said about how we all want to tackle domestic abuse in the communities that we represent and in our country as a whole. I commend you for undertaking work to try to improve the situation.

Of course, as a committee, our job is to scrutinise the proposed legislation and its potential impact. I am aware that you said in your opening remarks that your consideration of the bill began in 2022, soon after the 2021 election, and the bill was introduced in late 2024. Is that correct?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

There was no formal meeting.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ben Macpherson

My first question was about enforcement and the role of the police. With decriminalisation, does the evidence from other jurisdictions point towards any increase in the number of people who sell engaging more with the police and feeling more empowered to speak up? Will you elaborate on that?