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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

As we form our conclusions about how we move forward collectively, that openness for rethinking some of the methodology will be useful for us all.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Future generations.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We appreciate that the public sector reform programme will take some time, and that it involves a large piece of evaluation, followed by consideration and then implementation. As part of our work, we want to see whether there are things that we can constructively recommend that dovetail into that. Whether that will require primary legislation or not is still to be determined. I do not think that the Scottish Parliament has done a consolidation act at all, but it does happen in the United Kingdom Parliament, and it might be interesting to consider that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I note that one of the other committees in the Parliament is looking at scrutiny and what committees do. Some interesting issues have come up in this session that may relate to that work, so I appreciate your answers on those points, minister.

We go back to Richard Leonard on questions about auditing.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Ash Regan raised some points in our evidence session with the Scottish Human Rights Commission, and I think that those have also been raised in other committees.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

There must be consideration that the Government is putting obligations and costs on the SPCB by passing a bill that creates an SPCB-funded commissioner. We need to think about that together as we go forward.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Welcome to the 11th meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today鈥檚 meeting.

Today, the committee will continue taking evidence as part of its review, and I am pleased to welcome to the committee Ivan McKee, Minister for Public Finance, as well as Scottish Government officials Angus Macleod, head of the public bodies support unit, and Aileen Wright, deputy director of the risk control and assurance division. We are grateful to have you here for our evidence taking.

We move directly to questions, the first of which is from me and is probably one that you have been anticipating. We have been asked by the Parliament to look at Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body-supported bodies, which, of course, fit into a wider scenario of public bodies, some of which are funded by the SPCB and some of which are funded by the Scottish Government. Our questions will mostly be intended to gain further understanding of the way in which things are organised and the reasons for that.

Including the Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland, who is yet to become operational, there are eight SPCB-supported bodies, the majority of which were proposed by the Scottish Government. The latest鈥攁 victims and witnesses commissioner鈥攊s proposed in the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, which has passed through the Criminal Justice Committee and will now go to stage 3 in parliamentary plenary.

Could you explain under what circumstances the Government proposes an SPCB-supported body rather than a Government-sponsored body? How does the Government take into account capacity and funding issues for the SPCB in proposing the creation of an SPCB-supported body, and what consideration does the Scottish Government give to the overall coherence of the SPCB-supported body landscape when proposing new bodies such as a commissioner for one group in society? Does that lead to proliferation and a disjointed landscape? I appreciate that some of those decisions were made a decade ago or more, but has there been a strategic approach? I know that there is an ambition to have such an approach in the future, if you want to touch on that, too.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Can I first come in with an additional point? The subject that Lorna Slater has raised, and which Murdo Fraser also touched on, is important. I totally agree with you, minister, that there is a very clear rationale for some of the SPCB-supported bodies, such as the Scottish Information Commissioner, being funded by the SPCB. However, the independence of a number of other bodies, such as the Scottish Fiscal Commission, which we spoke to last week, is very clear, even though they are funded by the Government.

Although we do not know what our recommendations will be, if there were to be any suggestion that there should be amalgamation or reorganisation, that would have to be a joint exercise between the Government and the Parliament because of the situation that we are in, which is that there is no real consistency as to why bodies are funded by the Parliament or by the Government.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

If Ash Regan wants to write to you with more detailed information, that would be a good way forward.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Yes.