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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a final few questions. You talked about shared services, which has been an area of particular focus for you, both in your previous ministerial brief and since you assumed your current one. It is interesting more widely, but it is particularly relevant to the committee. We have heard from SPCB-supported bodies that the co-location of services is working well where it happens鈥攆or example, in Bridgeside house, which, for clarity, is in my constituency.

A hub-and-spoke model is proposed by the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner. I do not know whether you heard his interesting evidence. He talked about how the centralisation of certain back-office functions, with the potential to group together commissioners that are alike, could be helpful. How does the Government approach shared services between public bodies? Earlier, you spoke about how you are trying to improve that鈥攊ncluding in your determination to deliver a more efficient approach to public sector property management through, for example, a single Scottish estate programme. It would be good to hear an update on that programme, but also any reflections on, for example, the co-location of a number of the SPCB-supported bodies in Bridgeside house. That is working well, but could it happen for example in another building that is part of the Scottish Government estate, to save further public money?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that it would be an upheaval if SPCB-supported bodies were to move their physical location, but it might save some money if they were to move elsewhere in the public sector estate. It was interesting that, last week, the Scottish Fiscal Commission clarified that, although it is located next to St Andrew鈥檚 house in the Scottish Government estate, it sees itself as very independent. That was quite a good example of a body鈥檚 location not impacting its independence.

Minister, is there anything that you want to emphasise to us that you have not had a chance to say yet?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Is there engagement with the SPCB itself, given its limited number of members?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is helpful to get that clarity.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Minister, you kindly agreed to write to the committee to follow up on some of the points that Richard Leonard raised, and Ash Regan and I will consider how to follow up on her questions in relation to things that have been said in public in this committee and in others. We will engage in correspondence on that.

All that is left to do is to thank the minister and his officials for taking the time to be with us today. It has been a very helpful evidence-taking session, and it is great to hear wider emphasis on the need for collaboration between the Parliament and the Government in all this.

10:40 Meeting continued in private until 11:06.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you both.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. Do members have any other questions? Lorna Slater, do you want to come in?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is really helpful that you have underlined that collaborative approach. I appreciate your point about the comparative ratio. The Scottish Government constantly thinks about efficiency and value for money, particularly at the moment, and rightly so, given the wider fiscal environment and pressures, but does it take into account the SPCB鈥檚 capacity when proposing a new body, such as a victims and witnesses commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Colleagues will ask about some of those areas later.

An issue that has been on our minds is that, at last week鈥檚 meeting, we heard from three public bodies that, although different types of arm鈥檚-length Government bodies, are still very much seen, both in Parliament and in the public domain, as being independent of Government. For example, the Scottish Fiscal Commission stated that it does not think that if it were to be an SPCB-supported body it would mean that it would function any more independently than it does now, with funding from the Scottish Government. How does the Scottish Government determine the level of independence from Government that a new public body would require? Does your consideration of the creation of new public bodies fit with the Scottish Government鈥檚 wider public service reform programme? I am sorry鈥攜ou have just answered that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We are glad to hear that there is an openness about that.