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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have listened carefully to the points from Katy Clark, and those from Pauline McNeill about the Contempt of Court Act 1981 and seeking a fuller understanding of the breakdown of jury decision making in the current system. However, I am not in a position to give a view on the practicalities of getting that understanding before enactment and implementation. That would be for the Government to articulate.

We are all balancing a difficult decision. How do we arrive at a position where the justice system performs in a way that delivers justice, whether that is for the victim, the complainer or the accused? We are all seeking to build a justice system that is more effective than the present one. That is not me implicitly stating that the current system is not effective, but we are in a process of trying to make improvements, having been called to do so by a number of stakeholders in different ways and having had an electoral mandate, communicated by the public in the 2021 Scottish Parliament elections, to see change in this area.

I will conclude by saying that the evidence that was given by the senators—and which is repeated somewhat verbatim in the cabinet secretary’s amendments—on the requirement for a majority of “at least 10”, is persuasive.

All things considered, I will be voting for the Government’s amendments.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am sorry to interrupt Liam Kerr as he was concluding. I appreciate the point that he makes about other jurisdictions, but I highlight the challenge that we face, collectively, as a result of the fact that Scotland has a system of corroboration, which makes us distinct. We must consider all the different aspects of what makes Scotland’s current system distinct when we consider what changes we may or may not wish to make.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

For clarity, did you mean section 34?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I think that I heard 44.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is a helpful idea for us to consider in advance of having someone from Government here at a future meeting. I note that the Deputy First Minister told Parliament a few weeks ago that the national performance framework is being reconsidered, so we will make that part of our considerations.

That dovetails nicely with Ash Regan asking about accountability and scrutiny, so I will hand over to her.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am sorry to interrupt. I do not want you to lose your train of thought so please do come back on those points later. You made a point there about the committee’s focus on the SPCB bodies meaning that we are only looking at part of a bigger picture. Is it important for the Parliament to bear that in mind and for the committee to consider it as we conclude in the months ahead?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you, all, for those final points, which were very interesting. In the coming weeks, we will speak to others about international examples of how things are done similarly and differently. There are considerations about what the next parliamentary session will look like and how the Parliament could scrutinise things. There are also considerations about whether there should be commitments in 2026 party-political manifestos. We will have representatives of the Government before us in the weeks ahead, and we will be able to ask them about the wider landscape that we have spoken about.

Thank you for those concluding remarks and for what you have relayed to us today in answering our questions and sharing your insights and views. The discussion has been extremely helpful for us, and we are grateful for your time today and in submitting the written material.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. As agreed earlier, we now move into private session.

11:27 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is really interesting and helpful.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Dr Elliott, you are nodding. Would you like to add anything?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today’s meeting. The first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.