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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

Yes. Of course, the reduction in income as a result of having fewer international students is a concern. However, we should also remember that a lot of international students are still coming to Scotland. They are welcome, and we want them here, because they are important contributors, as I outlined in my previous answer.

It is not just the legal changes that are being made; the signal that the UK Government is sending out is not helpful for our institutions across the UK, either. We are considering the situation for our institutions in Scotland鈥攁nd that is, of course, most pertinent to us鈥攂ut I should point out that several institutions in England are really struggling, and part of that is to do with international students, too. At least, that is my understanding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

As I have alluded to, the dialogue that we are having with the university sector on a sustainable future absolutely includes consideration of the impact of international student numbers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

In the discussions so far, we have deliberated on the financial challenges. I talked about transformation. I re-emphasise the importance of our college sector, not just for the people who go through the system and for the excellent staff who work so hard across a variety of courses and the different career paths that individuals are undertaking; it is also key to our economy.

It goes back to some of the discussions that I was privileged to hear when I was a member of this committee about the shift in consciousness that we need to go through as a society to be celebratory of the different paths that people take and to create a greater parity of esteem whereby we value, respect, celebrate and appreciate people鈥檚 contributions, whether that is through university, college or a route straight into employment. We want a society in which people know the different routes that are available to them and are able to access the support to undertake those routes and fulfil their potential. At the moment, our college sector is important for that.

We need a process of transformation鈥攖he evidence is clear on that. In the period ahead, I want to work collaboratively and engage proactively and constructively with the college sector on how we can do that together. There are questions about whether primary legislative change is required for that. As a Parliament, we are in the process of considering the tertiary education and training bill in this area.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I listened carefully to the earlier discussion. It was an excellent discussion, which got to the heart of where all our reflections need to be, which is around how we make sure that our system helps with economic growth and delivery as well as with maximising our emerging sectors, where we have an advantage and a possibility for more success and enrichment.

I will reflect on the points that have been raised about credits today, including those that Mr Briggs has raised, and I would be happy to have further dialogue on that, if that would be of interest.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am afraid that I cannot recall those specific points being raised with the SFC this morning, so I cannot refer directly to them. I apologise, but I do not recall exactly what was said.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will gladly take that away, convener. I appreciate your highlighting the context of my predecessor鈥檚 discussions with you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

We were listening attentively to the committee鈥檚 deliberations, and we did not want to miss any of the discussion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

That did not happen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will have to liaise further with the SFC on that point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

Can you be absolutely clear on which decision you mean, so that I am answering exactly the question that you want me to answer?