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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

As I hope I have emphasised so far, I want to work in lockstep with the sector on the challenges. As you alluded to, Mr Rennie, the situation to date is that my predecessor brought Government, colleges, universities and the SFC around the table to discuss new ways to tackle the challenges. I want to build on that approach. That work will need to include considerations about how we adapt, reform, deliver efficiency, and, most importantly, serve learners. That has been a key area of focus for me with the university sector, and, as I emphasised, I would like to build on the precedent set with the universities to do the same with colleges. I will be seeking to achieve that. I will set out more in the next few weeks about how we will continue to work with the university sector on a new vision for Scotland’s universities. If you can give me time, I would like to set that out in due course.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is not for ministers to direct which bit of funding the SFC would allocate. It is meant to be an arm’s-length body.

To go back to some of the areas that I touched on in answer to Mr Briggs, we want a system where there is flexibility and efficiency to provide the opportunities that the economy needs and to support people in the different avenues that they decide to take and that are best for their personal development and fulfilling their potential. Through the consultation process and my predecessor’s work, the changes that are being proposed in the bill would help to streamline the process. However, I listened carefully to the reflections that were articulated in the stage 1 debate in the chamber last week and have read the report with interest. I want the committee to be assured that I am listening.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

Those points are also relevant to the wider collaborative work with the sector on sustainability. I am grateful for that understanding and I will take the point away.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

Those considerations are challenging across the public sector, especially in an environment in which the Scottish Government’s capital resource has been cut, which makes the challenge of delivering on capital projects, whether they are maintenance projects or new builds, more difficult. As you would expect, there is a process to identify where works are required. Stuart Greig can speak more about that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I emphasise that what has been provided is meant to stabilise the university and is certainly not a licence to cut jobs. We listened with interest to what was said earlier, and Amanda Callaghan has some reflections on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is not my understanding. We are in a section 25 process here, and we have heard the evidence today. The institution is undertaking the work that we need to see it progress, and it is certainly the Government’s intention to play its part, without straying past its position in relation to the section 25 direction, to ensure that we have a sustainable university for the benefit of the people of Dundee and the wider Scottish economy.

In my opening remarks, I talked about the real success—

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

—that has been achieved—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

The long-term recovery will be a gradual process, and, as the Gillies review revealed and emphasised, there are serious governance issues that need to be resolved. The new leadership team is working on that and is driving forward a credible strategic plan. We need to achieve a position of permanency in relation to both leadership and financial sustainability, and the Government is very focused on seeing that happen—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I absolutely appreciate that there is a need for further dialogue on that point. I heard the previous discussion. I am, and ministers are, particularly interested in that discussion and in seeking the clarity that the committee is also seeking. I can state clearly that we will be following up on the dialogue that you had this morning and seeking further clarity, as you would expect.