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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is very helpful and interesting. The area of justice is quite interesting in itself, with regard to the wider question of SPCB-funded bodies and Scottish Government-funded bodies. For example, your organisation and the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner are funded by the Scottish Government because you are part of the accountability arrangements for the justice system, whereas the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman is funded by the Parliament and holds other public services to account. Such are the questions that we have been wrestling with over the past months, and your insights are helpful to us as we continue to do that.

I have one further question, and then I will pass to Murdo Fraser. As you might be aware, the Scottish Government has nine classifications of public bodies, such as non-ministerial offices and health bodies. Do you feel that your body has been categorised appropriately and that your framework agreement sets out the right relationships with the Scottish Government and the Parliament? As far as you are aware, has your classification and, therefore, your relationship with the Government, ever been reviewed or reconsidered? If you do not have huge amounts to say on that, please feel free to be quite succinct, but it would be interesting to get your thoughts on those two points.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very interesting and helpful.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much. We now come to Ash Regan, who has questions on scrutiny and accountability.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Craig Naylor, do you want to add anything?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

In the public perception, the term “commission” might signify that there is a commissioner to advocate on people’s behalf. That is one of the issues that we are looking at, because there are a number of commissioners that are funded by the Parliament.

Julie Paterson, your organisation is a commission without a commissioner. Do you have any thoughts on that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is interesting that you all have different setups. That is helpful for our consideration.

I have one last question. I hope that this does not sound overly semantic. What do you see as being the difference between a commissioner and a commission? We have a number of commissioners and commissions, including the Scottish Fiscal Commission. Do you think that we should use that language more carefully?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We will get to questions about function and similar points later in today’s evidence session. Thank you, both, for that helpful and insightful information. Craig Naylor, please come in on all the points that have been raised—and thanks for waiting patiently.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Who would like to answer that first?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

John Ireland, a few moments ago, you wanted to come in but did not manage to. Do you want to come in now?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Law Enforcement and Judicial Co-operation (European Union)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and thank you both for your time in giving evidence and for your submissions.

During the Brexit process, I was the Scottish Government Minister for Europe, Migration and International Development. At that time, the Scottish Government published a number of papers under the heading, “Scotland’s Place in Europe.” One of those papers, which was published in June 2018, focused on the impact of Brexit on cross-border crime and co-operation. It warned about the negative impact that the Brexit process and the withdrawal agreement—as it was then conceived, and later signed—would have in relation to Europol, the European arrest warrant, the European investigation order, the Schengen information system II, participation in Eurojust and the European protection order.

From what you have said today, it is clear that, latterly, since the withdrawal agreement was signed and the process took place, we are in a worse position. That is what your evidence seems to articulate. Am I interpreting that correctly?