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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Future generations.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

We appreciate that the public sector reform programme will take some time, and that it involves a large piece of evaluation, followed by consideration and then implementation. As part of our work, we want to see whether there are things that we can constructively recommend that dovetail into that. Whether that will require primary legislation or not is still to be determined. I do not think that the Scottish Parliament has done a consolidation act at all, but it does happen in the United Kingdom Parliament, and it might be interesting to consider that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I note that one of the other committees in the Parliament is looking at scrutiny and what committees do. Some interesting issues have come up in this session that may relate to that work, so I appreciate your answers on those points, minister.

We go back to Richard Leonard on questions about auditing.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Ash Regan raised some points in our evidence session with the Scottish Human Rights Commission, and I think that those have also been raised in other committees.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Although this is anecdotal, I add that my experience as a Scottish minister was always that there was a perception and an understanding that you were independent of Government. Your points around perception and understanding are interesting for our committee鈥檚 considerations.

Julie Paterson, do you want to come in on those points?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I understand.

Is there anything that any of you wants to relay or to emphasise to us that you have not had the chance to talk about in this morning鈥檚 evidence? I see that no one has anything to add.

I thank you for your time and for the insights that you have shared with us today. We are grateful for them.

10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:15.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is interesting鈥攜ou use and are part of the shared services programme, but you want to preserve the integrity of your independence. Those are the questions that we are interested in. Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today鈥檚 meeting. Ash Regan MSP joins us online.

The committee will take evidence from three public bodies that are funded by the Scottish Government but are seen to be independent. I am pleased and grateful to welcome to the committee: Julie Paterson, chief executive officer, Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland; John Ireland, chief executive, Scottish Fiscal Commission; and Craig Naylor, chief inspector, His Majesty鈥檚 Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland.

We move directly to questions. The first question is from me, and is one that you are perhaps anticipating. As part of the review that Parliament has asked us to undertake, we are keen to understand as far as possible how supported bodies that are funded by the SPCB fit into the wider public body landscape. We have heard evidence that SPCB-supported bodies are often created when independence from Government is required for the body to fulfil its functions. As you are funded by the Scottish Government, I am interested in your thoughts on whether you consider that your organisations are able to act as independent bodies. I appreciate that the answer to that is likely to be yes, but I would be keen to understand why. Further, would you be able to function more efficiently, effectively or independently if you were an SPCB-supported body? In effect, I am asking: does who funds you matter?

I do not know who wants to go first鈥攑erhaps John Ireland?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Unless colleagues have any more questions, I will ask a few last questions, the first of which is on shared services. Craig Naylor, you said that you are based in St Andrew鈥檚 house, so you use the Scottish Government estate. Julie Paterson and John Ireland, do you want to say where your physical offices are situated and whether that is in the Scottish Government estate?

Craig, do you pay the Government for using St Andrew鈥檚 house?

Can you all tell us more about how you share services, such as human resources and IT? SPCB-funded organisations have their own HR departments.

We are thinking about all of these issues, as you will appreciate.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was very helpful.

Murdo Fraser wants to ask a supplementary question.