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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 December 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Before we close, I would like to ask one more question. The issues surrounding Alexander Dennis are very topical. Just before the summer, we took evidence from trade unions and the business itself, and one of the bits of information that we looked at in our briefing paper was the level of support that Scottish Enterprise had provided.

I have two questions about that. First, we understand that Scottish Enterprise made available a total of £30.5 million to Alexander Dennis over a 10-year period, but your website refers to a figure of £17.6 million, so I would be interested if you could clarify what the balance is made up of.

More importantly, in 2023, according to your website, you provided £4.8 million to Alexander Dennis. That is some 5 per cent of the £100 million, roughly, that goes out the door. We also know that the vast bulk of the Scottish zero-emission bus challenge fund money ended up being used to buy buses from overseas. Given that you have spent that money, is there a lesson to be learned there about conditionality and taking a joined-up approach so that we ensure that we build indigenous industries, especially in critical areas. I would describe buses as critical infrastructure.

Could you clarify where the balance of £12.9 million, which is the difference between the £30.5 million and the £17.6 million, came from? Critically, are there lessons to be learned in relation to the funding that you have provided in recent years? Could a more strategic and joined-up approach be taken?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you very much for responding to an extensive range of questions over a prolonged period of time. I thank both our witnesses for their contributions this morning.

We will have a brief suspension to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:13 Meeting suspended.  

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

What proportion of that £70-something million goes in direct awards in terms of grants, loans and investment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. Do committee members agree to take in private, under agenda item 3 of this meeting and in future meetings, discussion of our pre-budget evidence?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Those are all indirect outcomes and benefits. Do you have a clear analysis of direct benefits—in other words, projects that Scottish Enterprise wholly or partly funded and the results that they achieved? Are those benefits reported in your annual report? I struggled to identify them.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

Do you set an explicit target for those metrics?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

As long as it is quick, Stephen.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

I think that we could do a whole inquiry on that. We better stop there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

I think that that is the first time that the Sex Pistols have been heard at committee. [Laughter.]

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Daniel Johnson

I want to ask a brief supplementary about write-offs. Typically, early-stage investors will have a rule of thumb that they follow—a hit rate of, say, one in 10 or something like that. Do you have a benchmark that you use for your success rate with early-stage investments and, conversely, your write-offs? Is the level of write-off in line with that target? As you say, in some ways, too few write-offs might mean that you are not taking enough risk.