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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 December 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

One of my concerns is that large businesses are twice as likely as small ones are to adopt AI. I wonder whether we are missing a trick. If AI has the potential to almost turn economies of scale on their head, do we need to concentrate a lot more on ensuring that all small businesses seek to use and leverage AI in the way that start-ups almost naturally do? What are your thoughts on that? What can we do to help?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Good morning, and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. We have received apologies from Lorna Slater. Before we start our brief inquiry into the use of artificial intelligence, I ask members whether they agree to take in private agenda item 3 and all future discussions on our AI inquiry. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I am pleased that, under agenda item 2, we have with us a panel of witnesses to help us to consider the economic potential of artificial intelligence. We are joined by Seth Finegan, the chief executive officer of Informed Solutions; Peter Proud, the chief executive officer of Forrit; and Sarah Ronald, the founder of Nile.

I ask the witnesses to keep their answers as concise as possible, although, given that this is an expansive topic, that might not be possible. You do not need to press the buttons on your microphones鈥攕taff will operate them for you.

I will begin by asking a couple of questions. I am struck that, when discussing AI, we seem to be stuck in a binary place鈥攑eople think either that we are all doomed and all our jobs will be taken over by AI or that AI is a bit like the internet and Google and is just a bit of an upgrade. Given that you all work with AI in your day-to-day jobs, what do you think the impact will be? Where do you think the impact of AI will sit on the spectrum from total change to minor change?

Who would like to answer first? Peter Proud, you maintained eye contact for longer than anyone else, which is a dangerous thing to do.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Yes, it does. Sarah Ronald, do you agree that we might be getting a bit carried away? You said that there is exponential change.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Yes, the culture of announcements and the use of RAG status in the public sector could themselves be the subject of a whole inquiry. We will not go down that route. I will bring in Sarah Boyack.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

If it is brief.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Do not tempt us, Mr Kerr. I bring in Gordon MacDonald.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you. There are some supplementary questions, first from Murdo Fraser and then from Kevin Stewart.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I believe that Michelle would like to ask a brief supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you very much. I thank the panel for their very interesting and wide-ranging contributions. We have discussed everything from the possibilities for business through to the public sector, requirements for skills, and ethics.

I will just share one closing anecdote. As we have been talking, I have been using AI to follow up on some of the topics, including the point around ISO. I used Gemini to give me an explainer on what ISO 4200 was and was profoundly confused to get a summary about steel tube manufacturing, because it is 42000 that I should have asked about. That just goes to show that the old adage is true: if you put garbage in, you get garbage out. That is a perennial truth when using technology.

I thank the panel for their contribution. It has been incredibly useful, and not just for this work. We have the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill going through Parliament, and some of the contributions on skills have been very informative for that.

With that, I bring the public part of the meeting to a close.

11:54 Meeting continued in private until 12:12.