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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Section 11 of the bill enables the Scottish Government to issue guidance to operators of abortion services. What do you expect that guidance to cover?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Would you acknowledge that it might be more distressing to walk past a group of men holding placards, even if those placards were about fair pay or working conditions, than it might be to walk past a couple of individuals who are praying silently?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Yes鈥擨 would not diminish any of that; we absolutely heard that. As we are creating law, what I am trying to get to is whether it is possible, in law, to protect citizens from silent judgment.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

I am okay, convener. I will come back in later.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Do you agree that, in relation to proportionality when we are talking about rights, post-legislative scrutiny鈥攖here is that phrase again鈥攊s an important tool to give everyone that comfort?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Okay. In relation to reviewing the legislation, what would be an appropriate mechanism in the bill to ensure that there is continued proportionality, that rights are balanced and that women are protected?

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

When we are talking about the balance of rights, it is important for us to try to bottom everything out. There are top-level things that every reasonable person would agree with, but we want to avoid unintended consequences.

My other question is about proportionality, which you have covered in your answers to colleagues. Is there anything else that you want to say about the evidence that you gathered from those accessing services and those who want to partake in protest or vigil?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

I am sorry, but that just triggered something in my mind. The police officer who gave evidence to the committee talked about controversial marches鈥擨 assume that he was talking about the marches that take place in the west of Scotland鈥攁nd he said that if someone were to display an opposing flag in their house, the police would ask them to take it down, because it could be seen as incitement. Could it be the case that, if a person鈥檚 property were in an exclusion zone, an overt depiction of their Christianity could be seen in that way? Who would decide that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

How would the Scottish Government respond to claims that anti-abortion views were excluded from the process? You have said that they were not.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Ruth Maguire

Good morning, minister. For absolute clarity, is it the Scottish Government鈥檚 intention that someone who is engaged in silent prayer鈥攚ithout placards, rosaries or any other visible thing that would enable them to be picked out鈥攚ould be caught by the section 4 criminal offence?