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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

My question is for Stephen Imrie鈥攕orry, Stephen, it is almost like you are part of the panel.

You said that we could agree but wait. If we do that, would that mean that we were in effect consenting to what has been put before us today鈥攚hich is where I would probably want to be鈥攐r would it mean that we were consenting to it with reservations?

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I am not inclined to support amendment 70. Jamie Greene and Russell Findlay are asking the Government to bring forward legislation that is based on evidence鈥擨 feel that the bill is based on evidence鈥攂ut they present us with amendments, such as amendment 70, on which we have not taken any evidence. Such a change would be really significant and it could result in a massive increase in the prison population. It would also have massive resource implications for the Parole Board and for how the system would work in practice鈥攊t would be necessary to go back to the drawing board.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I acknowledge the report and its recommendations. My point is that what you are proposing would be a big change and would require a big piece of work, so I am not sure whether the bill is the right place for it. I am interested in hearing the cabinet secretary鈥檚 response, but there are quite a lot of questions here. Even if we think that something should be done in principle鈥攖here is obviously a very emotive background story, which Mr Lumsden outlined鈥攊t would need to be done right. We would not want to create a situation that made things worse. Where would the person have to have been detained, under what legislation and with what mental health conditions? If all that is not ironed out properly, it could be worse for people in the long run.

I just wanted to put those concerns on record, although, as I said, I note the principle behind Mr Lumsden鈥檚 plea to the committee.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I thank Jamie Greene for that intervention. I did not say what he has suggested; I said that the Parole Board was one aspect to consider.

The change that amendment 70 proposes would be an absolutely massive and sweeping change and we have not taken evidence on it or had a chance to consider its implications. Given that we are talking about a policy that has been in place in Scotland and, I believe, across the whole of the United Kingdom for a significant time, a lot more work and a lot more scrutiny would have to be done before we could consider making such a change.

I will not support amendment 70.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I welcome Douglas Lumsden to the committee and thank him for the way in which he put forward his constituent鈥檚 case. It was very powerful.

I am quite sympathetic to where Mr Lumsden wants to go with this in a general sense, but I would not be inclined to vote for amendment 100 at this stage, because there are quite a number of questions that I鈥攁nd, I think, the committee as a whole and the Government鈥攚ould have about it. Would it apply if a person had been detained under mental health legislation? How long ago would that detention have had to take place? What supports would the amendment put in place for people?

Similar to an amendment that I spoke to earlier, I see the principle behind it, about which Mr Lumsden spoke very passionately鈥攏o one can deny that, and I would not seek to do so鈥攂ut I have questions about the effect of the amendment in practice.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks for that update. I know from the presence that you have in North Lanarkshire, where my constituency is, that that is something that you have been working on for a period of time.

I am sorry if my line of questioning is a bit disjointed and does not join up exactly, but please bear with me. This is probably for Caroline O鈥機onnor and John Taylor. What are your thoughts on the issue of interpreters, which has come up in the various committee sessions that we have had on this subject? What is the service provision like around interpreters? A lot of people have told us that there are real concerns in that area. Are there difficulties with it, and how might those be overcome?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

John Taylor, do you have anything to add to that? How does your team access interpreters? Is there any difficulty with that or do you feel that you have that provision?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

It will be small, and it might already have been answered. Given what the convener has said, panel, if that is the case, please say so.

This is probably for John Taylor, although Caroline O鈥機onnor might be able to respond, too. A question that has come to mind during these evidence sessions is how you actually manage a situation in which asylum seekers are coming from different countries or different regions. Is Mears, or are other organisations, aware of any difficulties in that respect, and how are they managed? I realise that that is a very general question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Do you have anything to add, Caroline?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning. First, I offer my apologies for attending most of the meeting remotely, via an online connection. The reason for that was significant delays on the Airdrie-Bathgate train line today, which I am sure will be reported on, given the extent of them.

I have a few questions, convener. I hope that you will have some sympathy with my travel woes and allow me to ask them. Will that be all right?