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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

My line of questioning follows on particularly from Heather Williams’s remarks. The committee has heard many times that particular groups who rely on public services are most impacted by budgeting decisions—for example, disabled people; black, Asian and minority ethnic people; and women. What more can the Scottish Government and the Scottish Parliament do to make sure that their voices are heard? We have talked a wee bit about this and you have heard from the convener about something that the committee is trialling, which so far looks to be doing well.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

You have certainly given us a lot of food for thought when we come to discuss what we have heard today.

There are two wee points that I want to ask about—well, they are wee in terms of the evidence session, but they are not small by any means. During the pandemic, there was an increase in the number of deaths in prison. John Swinney asked about that. Did you ever get any information, or was information ever released as part of the work that you did, about what caused those deaths? Did they relate to the pandemic—either the virus or the restrictions? Did you ever get a feel for that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thank you very much for your evidence.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

On a similar point, you mentioned that there had been an increase in the number of deaths over the summer, since May. Is there any analysis of why that has happened?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning. I will follow on from where Sharon Dowey left off. I think that we can all hear today the passion in your voice for this piece of work, which is probably prompted by your time coming to an end, with the process not being as complete as you would like—that is probably an understatement.

In many ways—I am putting words in your mouth here; this might be a bit extreme—it almost feels as though your contacting the committee and coming back to committee today is a wee bit of a cry for help in relation to this piece of work. What do you think that the committee can do to help to progress the recommendations that you have made? You have made your case very powerfully today.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks very much. As I said, the police officers that were interacting with us last night were absolutely brilliant.

I have one further question on the police, which is again for DCC Connors, and follows on from Russell Findlay’s questions about the pilot. Your comments in relation to the assessment of risk of harm and vulnerability are sensible, particularly given the cuts that we are all facing across the United Kingdom as a whole just now. What would you ask of us as politicians? Would you ask us to be responsible when talking about it? When I first heard about it last week, it was certainly portrayed differently to the way that you have done today. What would you ask of us as politicians, across parties, and as a committee, in relation to that pilot and how we relay information about it to the public?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thank you for that—it sounds really positive, because the issues with police officers’ time have been on-going for a number of years.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I was going to ask how the pilot that you are talking about might have an impact on resources across the board, so it is interesting to hear that there has been a decrease of up to 50 per cent in police witness citations.

However, do you think that that can really change the way in which we do things in courts? Will you be looking at the pilot project that the Police Scotland witnesses talked to us about earlier this morning? Will you be looking at risk and vulnerability, and the standardness—for want of a better word—of the case, and at where that can all be agreed early on in order to save that resource?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

What are your projections? What savings in overtime do you hope to achieve?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Yes.