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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I am conscious of the time. Dr Hill, I know that you want to come back in, but I will leave that decision to the convener. However, I want to ask whether Graham O’Neill can come in on that question from a refugee perspective.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I was to ask only two people, so I will come to Sandy Brindley.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good afternoon. I want to ask about trauma-informed practice. I think that all of you were in the room for our discussions with the previous panel, so you will have heard what was said. What difference do you expect or hope that the provisions in part 2 of the bill will make in practice?

I would also like to hear your answers to a question that I asked the previous panel. Like the organisations represented on the previous panel, your organisations all already use trauma-informed practice with victims and other people you work with. If part of the intention of the bill is to create a cultural shift, how can that be spread across the whole justice system? What role can the bill play in delivering that?

I ask Dr Hill to start.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I have a follow-up question, for anybody actually, but Marsha Scott might want to come in on it. The bill also removes the requirement that ABSs provide services for “fee, gain or reward”. Could that open up opportunities for law centres or charities such as yours to become ABSs? Have you thought about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning to the panel. I would like to explore two areas. The first is the proposal to make it an offence to use the title of lawyer when there is an

“intent to deceive ... in connection with providing ... legal services”.

As this is our first evidence session, I am looking for comments on where the witnesses stand on that provision. By extension, is there any risk that regulating the title of lawyer unduly restricts the work of other unregulated lawyers, such as paralegals, legal academics and so on? I am looking for a broad view on where you stand on the provision. I am quite happy to hear from you in any order. [Interruption.] Do not all rush.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Does anybody else have any views on that? Excellent. Thanks very much. That was good.

I also want to ask about the bill’s provisions on alternative business structures. Again, I am looking for a broad discussion-based response to get your thoughts on the proposals to liberalise ABSs and what impact that might have on consumer practice.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

My questions are on part 6 of the bill and anonymity for victims. Cabinet secretary, can you outline the advantages of replacing the current approach to anonymity for victims of sexual offences with a statutory protection, as outlined in the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I very much welcome that provision. Was any consideration given to the possibility of extending anonymity to accused persons? That is a much more difficult area, but during the debate on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee in the chamber last Thursday, I was struck by the discussion of the impact on the family members of the accused, which was a point that was put quite powerfully by members. The person is an accused person, but more often than not, their family members are innocent parties, yet they are also impacted by such serious accusations. Has the Government given any consideration to extending the right to anonymity?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I have a brief question because we have covered a lot already. It follows on from Katy Clark’s line of questioning. Priority may be the wrong word, but I am interested in understanding whether the Government has a priority within the reforms and where any lines in the sand might be. If this committee, or the Parliament as a whole, decided to amend the bill—for example to retain the not proven verdict or to require only a simple majority for a guilty verdict—where would the Government stand on that? Does part 4 of the bill have to come as a whole package?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

That brings me on to my follow-up question. You have predicted where I am going today, Heather.

I think that the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government are, a lot of the time, quite keen on high-level stuff. Even the engagement here is about national scales. You gave a good example, but how can the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government get more into the decisions that actually affect people? For example, in North Lanarkshire, which is my area, there is a lot of talk about shutting down libraries, swimming pools and so on. There will be big debates about that in the next few weeks, as the subject is aired more. How do we get to the people we have spoken about to hear their views on those things and their impact? What more can the Scottish Government and Scottish Parliament do? Today’s discussion, apart from the Fa’side example, has been quite high-level—at Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government level. What about the stuff that is impacting people on the ground? Does anybody have ideas about what more we can do to allow people’s voices be heard?