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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Dr Bruce, do you want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks for sharing that powerful quote. It is good to have that on the record.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Fulton MacGregor

The question will follow up from what Russell Findlay was asking. The submissions that we had from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and Social Work Scotland expressed concern about there having been no increase in funding, and talked about how there would have to be an

“increased focus on ‘core’ functions at the expense of more targeted, preventative services.”

What do you understand that to mean?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Fulton MacGregor

The reason why I asked the question was that I am not sure about your quite stark statement. When I saw it, I thought that it was a cry for help to the committee in some respects, but I am not sure how that would pan out. I am considering my experience: part of the work would still carry on—people would not hang up the phone or not go out and do the work. I know that this is not for you fully to answer; I understand that, so this is to get your view. Would it have been better if the submission had looked more at how much extra money you could do with and where you would put it to support all those functions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

In the previous panel—I do not know whether this panel managed to see that session—and in this panel, we have had a wee bit of discussion relating to the question that I will ask. COSLA and Social Work Scotland have indicated that the amendments to the UNCRC bill will create legal complexities, and Social Work Scotland has talked about a “potentially impossible legislative landscape”—my colleague Paul O’Kane quoted that to the previous panel.

If the bill is passed, what will be the impact on duty bearers? We all want this to work so, more important, how can those impacts and difficulties be addressed? As with the previous panel, I am happy for the convener to say who should respond.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Sorry, convener—I was waiting to be unmuted.

Thank you for that, Juliet. I think that you probably answered the question. I saw everybody else on the panel nodding, so I think that there is general agreement on the matter.

My second question builds on that. It is about what duty bearers should be doing anyway, which we have talked about a wee bit. It has been suggested, as we have heard today, that duty bearers should be acting compatibly with the UNCRC requirements regardless of amendments to the bill. Will that make the amended bill easier for duty bearers to navigate or is there a danger that public authorities might now focus more on areas that could be litigated on? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I hope that everybody can hear me. Good morning to the panel, and thank you very much for your input so far. I particularly liked Juliet Harris’s opening statement. There was something a wee bit different there on the theme of the day.

I have two broad questions, although we have already covered the second one a wee bit. The bill provides that commencement will be six months after royal assent. What do you think about that timing? Does it represent sufficient time for duty bearers and rights holders to prepare for the approach? Convener, as I am not in the room, I am happy for you to decide who should answer.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I can be quite brief, convener, as there has been a good bit of coverage of this particular area in the past half hour or so.

What do you believe the bill is trying to achieve through the trauma-informed practice provisions? Perhaps I can give you a bit of background to my question. We have already heard from a couple of the panellists that this is not some new theorem or idea with regard to the justice system; I agree with that, but what I think that the bill is trying to achieve is to ensure more of a focus on victims and witnesses.

Coming from a criminal justice background, I would say that a great degree of trauma-informed practice is already happening in criminal justice social work and so on with the accused, and then with offenders, but the role of witnesses and victims in the justice system is a bit different—a bit more stand-offish, perhaps. They come into it only at certain points.

What are the panel’s views on that? Do you see a distinction between those who are accused—and who are then possibly convicted—and witnesses? Do you think about that when you think about trauma-informed practice?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

It is, but it is more about whether you think that the bill’s provisions will add value to how the current system deals with victims and witnesses.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

That was helpful.