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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Okay. Thank you for that. So that I do not feel the wrath of the convener, I will just give Stuart Murray an opportunity to answer my earlier question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

That brings us back to Russell Findlay’s point that a lot of this lacks, for the reasons that you have outlined, research and data, and we are not able to understand what juries think. As Russell and others have said, the committee has, over the past few weeks, begun to feel the weight of the decisions that are being put on us now. These are significant changes, and one thing that we do not want to do is make things worse for people who use the justice system, particularly victims and witnesses.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good afternoon to you both. This has been a really interesting session so far. The conversation has moved on, but I want to go back to provide you with an opportunity to clarify the position for the record and for me, so that I understand it.

You have stated clearly that you are worried about an increase in the number of acquittals under the current proposals. I seek clarification on that, because, in the previous evidence session, we heard about the number of convictions, acquittals, not proven and not guilty verdicts. Are you worried about those that are currently not proven, or are you also worried about the numbers that are currently being convicted? Can you clarify the point on the increase in acquittals?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning. I have a follow-up question to the convener’s line of questioning. Joe Duffy, as you said, the two verdicts mean virtually the same thing: not proven—

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Yes, not guilty.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I know that this will be hard to say definitively but, based on your experience of working with people in and around the courts, do you think that, if the verdict is removed, it will lead to a higher number of convictions for these sorts of offences?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks, convener—that is very generous.

We have heard some argument that the system of regulation and complaints handling that is proposed in the bill is too complex. What do you say to that, minister? Do you believe that it is too complex or do you have another view?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning to you and your officials, minister. I have a few questions. You will probably acknowledge from having watched the evidence that no stakeholder that we have heard from supports the full package of reforms in the bill. I had to go back through some of the evidence on that myself. You made the point that some aspects of the bill could be lost and many stakeholders have told us that they support certain aspects of it that are relevant to them. How much of an issue is it that support from the groups that we have heard from is not outright and full? Where are you on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Where do you think that there might be more benefits for consumers? I will give a specific example that other ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ are likely to be aware of from constituency work and from an event that my colleague Bob Doris held last week. It relates to McClure solicitors, which went bust in 2021. I have had a couple of queries from constituents on the issue, but I had not thought about this point before Bob’s event last week. Is there anything in the bill that would have helped in that particular situation and that might help in similar situations?