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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning. This is giving me flashbacks to stage 1 and the enormity of the decision. As you heard earlier, it is clear that victims groups feel that moving to the proposed 10 out of 15 would be worse for victims. That is a compelling case, but we have heard another compelling case from you that other systems work effectively with near unanimity. Where do you think the Government got that suggestion? From a lay perspective, it feels like—I am sure that when the Government speaks to us about this, it will tell me that I am totally wrong—it is trying to please both points of view but is running the risk of not satisfying anybody. What is the thinking behind that, from a legal point of view?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

Your submission discusses the Council of Europe’s Venice principles. How does the SPSO’s performance and structures compare against those benchmarks?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

What are your thoughts on the ombudsman having an own-initiative power to investigate cases? Would that bring any benefits?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

Yes. That is my point: what is the ombudsman’s remit in certain situations? Thanks very much. Both of you have given your evidence passionately, as did the other witnesses.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

That is fair enough.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

The committee is aware that the SPSO has some very poor Trustpilot scores and reviews, and those have been highlighted by a recent petitioner to the Parliament. Can you give us any indication of how the committee might get a fuller picture of what the public perception is? It is possibly a wee bit in contrast to your own submissions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

I do not want to put you on the spot, but are you able to give a practical example of where the own-initiative power might be used?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

That is really interesting. Thank you.

09:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks very much. My next question is for Paul Blaker and Peter Stewart-Blacker. I think that you almost come at my earlier question in reverse. You refer to the high rate of complaints that have been upheld—they are, therefore, complaints that have gone through the SPSO’s investigation stage—and you suggest that that indicates that many public bodies are still “getting it wrong”. Could you elaborate your thinking on that?

10:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Fulton MacGregor

I thank all the witnesses for their evidence so far. Last year, before I was a member of the committee, the ombudsman told the committee:

“we see good complaints handling in the first instance.”—[Official Report, Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, 5 December 2023; c 9.]

That was in relation to public bodies. Do you agree that that is one of the reasons why complaints are not fully progressed through every stage? Before you came to the meeting, I said that that is not what I, as an MSP, tend to see, but, given what the witnesses on the previous panel said, I am quite willing to accept that that might be because I see only people who are very unhappy and come to me for a bit of advice and support. However, my experience as an MSP does not back that up.

I will direct that question to Jan Savage, Adam Stachura and Fiona Collie, because my second question will probably be for Peter Stewart-Blacker and Paul Blaker, who can come in at that point.