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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

First, I want to clearly set out that the transfer test is a public interest test. It does not use those exact two words, but that is what the transfer test is: it will ensure that we take the public interest into consideration when a land transfer involves more than 1,000 hectares. Various proposals emerged about where the test should fall, whether it could fall on the buyer and the different ways in which it could work. However, the transfer test has been introduced on the basis of the evidence that we have and our ability to implement it, because the only way that we can implement a public interest test is by doing a test at the point of transfer of land.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

We had to introduce the provisions in the way that we have to ensure that the transfer test will take place at that point. That is not to say that all the land that goes through the transfer test would necessarily be lotted. That might not always be the case鈥攖here is a whole process that is set out in the provisions of the bill. There could be a transfer of land at scale.

What we are providing through pre-notification is, first of all, a route for communities to enable that to happen. However, if land was to be transferred that had not been lotted and that was above the threshold, any new owner would be expected to undertake the requirements that we are looking at through the land management plan provisions and community engagement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Ultimately, we listened to the views that were shared through the consultation. It was felt that there was a broad need for the provisions on a model lease to be introduced. It is important that we bring that forward because there are some types of land management that people鈥攚hether they are in community groups or environmental organisations鈥攚ould like to be able to undertake but the type of tenancy that would enable them to do so is not currently in place. That is where the model lease provisions have come from.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I come back to the comments that I made when we discussed the part 1 measures. There are issues to address in crofting, not least with vacant crofts, which we need to try to do something about. Legislation is coming forward to address the key issues that have been identified for crofters. It is important that we deal with that and address those issues through that legislation before we take any further steps.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I ask Andrew Crawley to provide clarity on that. I believe that there is not necessarily much difference between the two.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I am aware that an issue has been raised with us, and I am more than happy to follow up with the committee on that. NatureScot has been adding conditions to the licences to try to address the issues that have been raised. We are considering the issue further, but I do not anticipate the bill being the vehicle with which to tackle it. Again, more work needs to be done to find out whether a solution is needed beyond what has already been put in place, and what that solution might look like.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Of course we want to consider any unintended consequences. I will bring in Fiona Leslie on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

That is absolutely fine. What we are doing with the powers in the bill and with pre-notification is enabling another route in to using the existing community right to buy powers. The review could propose changes that we would need to implement. That would have to be part of consideration once we have consulted, but if changes to the legislation were required to adjust the powers, they would be subject to future legislation.

I am sorry鈥擨 hope that I am explaining things and providing some clarity.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I am happy to do that. I will break down the overall funding that is available in the agriculture reform programme. I think that the delivery costs of the programme are staying at the same level, which is 拢5 million. On the national test programme, importantly, we now have capital available over the course of the year contributing to that. Previously, when we have had higher amounts allocated to the national test programme, we have not been able to fully utilise that funding.

In previous meetings, we have talked about the level of claims that have come through for the preparing for sustainable farming鈥擯SF鈥攕cheme. We have allocated an amount that we believe will be fully utilised by the claims that are coming through. In a year in which we will make some requirements for the whole-farm plan mandatory, such as those on carbon audits, soil sampling analysis and animal health and welfare plans, it is important that we continue to provide support for that. That is a reflection of the greater level of spend that we have been able to undertake over the past few years.