The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
I am not too sure that I understand the question. We want to ensure—it is an obligation to ensure—that as we introduce new policy, we carry out island communities impact assessments. Those should be built into the process across Government as we look at any other areas. I do not know whether that answers your question.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
Getting the biggest bang for our buck is exactly what we want to do with our spending, and we are identifying an amount that we know that we can spend and that we hope to spend over the course of the coming financial year.
On holding numbers, again, I would be happy to get back to the committee if you know of specific issues with people being unable to access the previous round of the grant scheme. We have been evaluating the scheme and, as part of our discussions with the implementation board, we are considering whether the fund can be better targeted and are looking to learn lessons from the pilot round that was run so that we can better spend the resource that we have allocated in the budget this year.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
Brexit has undoubtedly had a huge impact across the portfolio, and has undoubtedly led to a lot of the issues that we are currently experiencing, whether in agriculture, fisheries or our food and drink industry. There has undoubtedly been a huge impact right across the portfolio when it comes to Brexit.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
I come back to my response to Mercedes Villalba, because what you have described is not a straightforward assessment of how the budget works, in particular the lines that relate to AECS. The ÂŁ36 million in the budget line for AECS this year is actually contract spend from previous years to which we had already committed. It also reflects the projects that have been funded through the 2021 round.
It is not possible for me to predict right now, given that we will be opening the 2022 round for applications this month, what the budget for the following year will be. The budget line therefore simply reflects previous contracts and financial commitments that we have made, so it is not quite accurate to portray it as a cut.
In addition, we had to run a more restricted round last year. We had an extension of contracts in 2020 purely because we were not getting the financial certainty from the UK Government to enable us to open another round. AECS contracts run for a period of five years, and without any financial commitment or certainty it was impossible for us, at that time, to reopen a full round.
I know that that was a huge cause of concern and frustration; I heard directly from a lot of farmers about that at the time. However, we were left with little option—or even no options—with regard to what we could do. It would have been irresponsible of us, over the past two years, to open full rounds for the future without having a bit more clarity. I hope that the announcement that has been made about reopening this year, and the commitment until 2024, provides clarity and an assurance that we are committed to continuing the programme.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
As I have said, I have already committed to maintaining the current level of payments. When we are going through such a huge period of change, with so many uncertainties for people, to be able to give that commitment about maintaining the same level of payments is critical. That is something that I have already committed to in relation to the pillar 1 payments. It is also a matter of trying to give certainty and future clarity when it comes to future rounds of AECS.
When it comes to further rural development, you will see the commitments that we have in the budget to increase the budget for that in some areas. For previous EU schemes such as the LEADER programme, which has been vital for our rural areas, we have had to supplement that funding with our own domestic funding to ensure that we are still investing in our rural communities. That is a commitment that we have made, and we will be continuing to invest for our rural economy in the particular areas concerned.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
Thank you very much, convener. When I made my first appearance before the committee in September last year, I set out the priorities for the rural affairs and islands portfolio, so I am pleased to come back today and set out how we intend to fund and support those priorities in the coming year through the Scottish budget that was presented by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy to the Scottish Parliament in December.
The budget was published one year after the first Covid vaccinations were rolled out, and it comes at a crucial juncture for Scotland. As the emergence of new variants demonstrates, we must remain vigilant in responding to current and emerging public health challenges, and work out how to manage those risks sustainably into the future. We must be mindful of the need to recover sustainably from the impacts of the pandemic. For rural and island communities and businesses in particular, we must also do what we can to mitigate the impacts of Brexit.
However, despite all of that—particularly the fact that we are in the middle of a global pandemic—the United Kingdom Government has cut the funding that is available for the Scottish Government. The UK spending review in October also fell short of the Scottish Government’s ambitious capital spending plans. That has constrained our ability to invest in the infrastructure that is required to support our economy and public services and to deliver the green jobs and technology that are required if we are to reach net zero.
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy has been clear that this is a budget of choices and that there are areas in which she would have wanted to go further. In the face of those pressures, the Scottish Government is firmly committed to using the full resources at its disposal to make Scotland fairer and greener.
One of my key priorities is to support rural industries and businesses during the pandemic and in the aftermath of the UK Government’s decision to leave the EU. Much-needed cash flow into our rural areas will come through my commitment to keep basic farm payments at the same level throughout this session of Parliament, with more than £630 million to be provided in on-going agricultural support in 2022-23. We are also maintaining support worth £65 million for our most fragile and marginalised areas.
Rural businesses, especially those that are involved in exporting food to the EU, are still absorbing the extra costs and barriers that were created by the loss of freedom of movement and free trade with our biggest export region, so we will continue to support our world-class food and drink sector in its recovery, supporting it to thrive and flourish into the future. The investment in Scotland’s rural businesses and communities provides them with a secure foundation to create growth, prosperity and opportunity, and I want to help them to do that. The budget provides funding to help to build that future.
As part of that, we are investing more than £8 million in the coming year in Scotland’s islands. That includes funding to create the first-ever islands bonds and the first-ever carbon-neutral islands, to support population retention and growth and to create innovation and energy hubs.
When I was at the committee in September, I spoke about the immense potential that Scotland’s rural and island areas have and their vital role in achieving net zero and enhancing biodiversity. Transforming our agricultural and marine sectors will be key to securing all of our futures.
We are investing ÂŁ25 million to start work on transforming farming and food production in Scotland, so that we can be world leading in sustainable and regenerative agriculture. We are also delivering a new round of agri-environment investment as part of an overall budget of ÂŁ36 million to support biodiversity. The new agri-environment climate scheme application round will open later this month and, in addition, I have made a commitment to future rounds until 2024. That is essential while we explore other ways in which farmers can be supported to deliver a nature-rich Scotland. Alongside that, to protect and enhance our marine environment and increase offshore renewable energy generation, we are increasing marine resources by almost ÂŁ10 million.
Allocating funding between those different priorities is difficult, but I believe that the balance that we have achieved for the coming financial year is proportionate, particularly as we approach our multiyear resource spending review in the spring. We will fully support Scotland’s rural economy and our people during these difficult times. At the same time, we will provide the funding that will enable rural businesses and people to continue to build towards a sustainable future and help them and Scotland to become fairer and greener.
Thank you, convener and committee members. I look forward to our discussion this morning.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
We are talking about two different things here. In relation to engagement on the Subsidy Control Bill, it has so far been difficult to get that information. The situation is similar to what I said about different areas in relation to population and the different departments of the UK Government that we deal with. Sometimes, we get no engagement whatsoever. So far, in relation to engagement on the Subsidy Control Bill, it has been difficult to get that information. As I said—
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
No problem. The scrutiny of the frameworks is important, and we remain absolutely committed to working collaboratively on common frameworks, in cases in which those are in Scotland’s interests, on the basis of consensus and in line with the principles that have been agreed.
In essence, the frameworks offer a model for progress by agreement and collaboration between equals that we think can be usefully applied to intergovernmental relations in the UK more widely. We recognise that there will be policy divergence; however, the model is the means by which we can try to manage that.
However, we face significant threats to the common frameworks process—a process that we engaged with in good faith—predominantly from the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 and from the Subsidy Control Bill, which is currently working its way through the UK Parliament and which we believe is an assault on devolution the likes of which we have not seen since the Scottish Parliament was established. We remain fundamentally opposed to the imposition on Scotland of such legislation.
When it comes to a scrutiny role for the Parliament and for stakeholders, we are committed to transparency. Stakeholder engagement and parliamentary scrutiny are a critical part of the framework process. That is why we were clear that greater clarity was needed on the impact of the 2020 act and on the interaction of the frameworks with some of the wider cross-cutting issues before meaningful scrutiny by the different legislatures within the UK and by stakeholders could commence. We remain committed to ensuring that full scrutiny of each framework can take place, that stakeholder engagement occurs and that the outcome of those processes is reflected in common frameworks before their final agreement and implementation.
I emphasise that the frameworks are policy neutral. They are intergovernmental arrangements for managing and agreeing policy; they are not, in themselves, policy innovations. In many cases, they just reflect existing arrangements and agreements between Governments.
I know that a number of frameworks that are relevant to the portfolio are due to be published. I believe that that is going to happen this month. In one of my previous roles, I took part in the scrutiny of one of the other frameworks that the Scottish Parliament was asked to consider. Such scrutiny is important. The frameworks that fall within this committee’s remit will be available shortly.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
No, I do not believe that it is necessary, because it completely undermines the common frameworks process. As I said in a previous response, we engage with the process in good faith, but there will obviously be policy divergence on some lines. The common frameworks process was meant to address—it is a policy-neutral framework—a means for the devolved Administrations to work together on an equal basis to manage policy divergence while recognising and respecting the specific roles of the devolved Governments.
However, what the internal market act has done, and what the Subsidy Control Bill will do, is completely undermine that process and the meaningful engagement that we expected to have, because it means that the UK Government has the power to impose certain measures or restrictions on devolved Governments. Common frameworks were a collaborative approach that was built on the basis of parity and respect for devolution.
As it stands, the 2020 act’s market access principles would, in many if not most circumstances, undermine any policy divergence agreed in common frameworks. The process has been developed to ensure that policy divergence agreed in common frameworks is protected from the 2020 act’s market access principles. UK ministers confirmed that in a statement to the UK Parliament on 9 December. That process reflects commitments that were made by UK ministers during the bill’s passage in December 2020. Through a common framework, the UK Government committed to using the powers that the act confers on UK ministers to exclude that policy area from the effect of the act.
It is vital that UK ministers honour that commitment consistently, because the sustainability and viability of the framework process relies on that. These pieces of legislation are frustrating because, as a member of the EU, we were able to develop and tailor our policies to our needs through the principle of subsidiarity. This is a backwards step that undermines our power to set our policies based on what best meets the needs of the people of Scotland.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 12 January 2022
Mairi Gougeon
There are specific concerns in some areas. As we have gone through the process, those policy areas have gradually started to emerge. I remember discussing the food and feed safety and hygiene framework, which I mentioned earlier, at a previous appearance at the Health and Sport Committee. Discussions were held in relation to the framework and a potential divergence in policy on genetically modified organisms. That could be impacted.
Other areas are emerging, too. If it would be helpful, I would be happy to follow that up with the committee and outline current areas of concern in relation to the internal market act. One of the key concerns in relation to agriculture is the Subsidy Control Bill, which you said we will come on to, given that it is working its way through the UK Parliament.