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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

I was not sure whether I had missed the national conversation, so I was hoping that you guys would be able to update us. I know that Jenny Gilruth said quite a lot about the safety of women and girls, the public more widely and staff. Will Gary Kelly and Kevin Lindsay provide an update on that? Also, what is morale like for staff just now?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

That is a really helpful update. I am not sure that we as a committee had been told that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

That is now, but has there been interference from ministers鈥攆or example, Jenny Gilruth鈥攊n the past? Has there been overreach?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Yes. We would expect that interaction to be robust. There has been some discussion in the Parliament about the fact that there might have been interference or overreach on the part of ministers, but you do not have those concerns. You did not experience or witness that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Okay, but I am always keen to hear the views of our witnesses. I will leave it there, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

When she was the transport minister, Jenny Gilruth put quite a lot of focus on particular issues that have affected women and girls. What has been done to improve the safety and security of women and girls who travel on the Scottish rail network?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

You have all done well to talk us through that.

I have a question for Kevin Lindsay before I move to Robert Samson. If the system is overly complex at the moment, and if it can be streamlined to get more clarity, what more can be done to improve lines of accountability and to clarify where responsibility lies? Are things transparent enough? I am keen to hear about what the system looks like from a public perspective.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

How could it be improved? We are keen to see whether lessons can be learned for other organisations that might want to follow the model, so how could it be simplified?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Yes, thank you, convener.

Both panels have talked us through the new institutional arrangements, how they are working and how they might be improved. I know that we are only a year in, but I am keen to pick up an issue that was recently raised in the Parliament. According to board papers that have become public, the former chair of ScotRail, Chris Gibb, who was also the chief executive officer of Scottish Rail Holdings鈥擨 hope that I have got that correct; he is no longer in those roles鈥攔aised concerns about micromanagement by the Scottish ministers, advisers and officials. David Lowrie, do you recognise that characterisation?