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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Monica Lennon

We could go on the buses together in Manchester.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Monica Lennon

Good morning. That was a helpful opening statement, minister. Thank you for the clarification.

I note the information about the existing powers and what the instrument will do, but will more funding be made available to transport authorities? Having powers is really important, but we know that there are big challenges for bus services right across Scotland. I am thinking particularly about the Strathclyde area, where many of my constituents live. There are powers to run bus services and existing powers to subsidise services, but, when I speak to transport authorities, they say that they do not have the budget to do that. What can be expected in the months and years ahead?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Monica Lennon

That is encouraging.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Monica Lennon

Okay. Fair enough. I am sure that the committee will try its best to help you to persuade colleagues that investment in bus services is absolutely crucial to Scotland’s economy but also to achieving net zero.

We know that Strathclyde Partnership for Transport’s current consultation on its approach to bus transport includes potentially setting up a municipal bus company. Would ministers support that approach?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Monica Lennon

I was feeling inspired listening to my colleague Bob Doris. Given that there are real challenges around public finances and we know that investment is crucial but that being able to unlock it is not easy, are you and your colleagues having discussions with colleagues elsewhere? It is not just about what we talk about in the Parliament. Can we learn from what is happening in, for example, Greater Manchester and the work that is being led by Andy Burnham that is a result of lots of campaigning and cross-party working? Are you building that into your fact finding?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Monica Lennon

I have, but it has been worth it, because the evidence has been fascinating. Thank you to Chris Stark and Professor Bell for your really clear evidence and answers today.

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests—I am a member of two trade unions, Unite the union and GMB—because I am going to ask about a just transition and the green economy.

I am keen to get your views on the efforts and progress that the Government has made towards its commitment on a just transition. We have heard a lot today about the energy sector and agriculture, so it might be good to start with those sectors.

It is important that workers and communities have confidence that climate action and net zero will benefit them and not punish them, but the announcement last week will perhaps leave people feeling more anxious. I am keen to get the Climate Change Committee’s view.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Monica Lennon

You said that the change has been slow. Earlier, we heard about the letter that Lord Deben sent to Roseanna Cunningham, when she was Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform in 2020, in the previous parliamentary session. One of the recommendations was about the early decarbonisation of the Grangemouth industrial complex, which is in my region, but is of national strategic importance. Was that advice not taken by the Scottish Government? Do you think that it is listening to advice when it gets it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Monica Lennon

So, big lessons to be learned there.

Your report mentions that the just transition commission has raised concerns about the minimal engagement of workers, the community and Government that took place around the Petroineos announcement. The commission has also emphasised the difference between investment in net zero and investment in a just transition. Do you think that the Scottish Government sufficiently understands that distinction?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Monica Lennon

I agree that, if we get that, it is win-win-win across the board.

On a more specific point, you will be aware that the Scottish Government announced around ÂŁ100 million for the green hydrogen sector and then some of that money was shifted towards the offshore wind supply chain, and the former Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy, Neil Gray, gave his reasons for that. Is it right for the Scottish Government to prioritise support for the offshore wind sector ahead of the potential development of a green hydrogen sector, and where do you think are the best opportunities for economic growth in green industries in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Monica Lennon

That was helpful; thank you.

I need to move on to a question on governance. I am keen to hear how well you think the Government is set up to deliver on its climate policy goals and whether there is anything that should be done differently.

I am mindful of the Auditor General’s report of April last year, “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”, which is all about governance and risk management arrangements. Chris Stark, in particular, will know the Scottish Government well from his previous roles. Is it a matter of concern that there was no permanent director general for net zero until January last year? We came back to Parliament after the election in May 2021, but no permanent DG for net zero was put in place at the time, and we have had a few years in which that portfolio area has not had a workforce plan. Have some time and some important opportunities been wasted in that period?