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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

Just to be clear, who is consulting?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

You expect there to be a consultation. How long will that last?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

I am talking about the SSI: that is the matter that is in front of us right now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

To be clear, then, in preparing for today’s committee session, the Government has not thought through the scenario in which the SSI could be annulled today, and you are in front of the committee without a plan B. We are looking for as much certainty as possible on what the Government would do next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

Just to be clear, in preparation for this morning’s committee session, views have not been sought from the cabinet secretary, and you and your officials have not reached out to SPT or to any other regional transport partnership for their views.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

Have you spoken to SPT about the SSI?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

I have four amendments in the group. I thank Stop Climate Chaos Scotland for its briefing and for its advice and support on these matters. Colleagues will be aware that Stop Climate Chaos Scotland has previously called for budgets to be set in accordance with the advice from the Climate Change Committee, unless there are exceptional circumstances. However, as drafted, the bill only requires the Scottish ministers to “have regard to” the latest CCC advice in preparing the draft budget-setting regulations. The amendments that I have lodged try to strengthen the provisions in the bill.

I know that the Scottish Government is not currently minded to support these amendments, but I hope that it will reconsider, because the current “have regard to” duty should be strengthened to require the carbon budget that is proposed to be consistent with CCC advice, unless there are “exceptional” circumstances to justify any variance. Stop Climate Chaos Scotland strongly supports amendments 28 to 30 and amendment 32 in my name.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

I am going to blame this question on my fuzzy head, but I want to understand your point. When I first read amendment 62, I thought that it referred to resourcing the CCC. Am I right that you mean Environmental Standards Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

I will not withdraw amendment 52, but I have listened to what the cabinet secretary has said and will not move amendment 37. I support Graham Simpson’s amendment 45.

I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for working with me on amendments 52 and 54. I am also grateful to Mark Ruskell for lodging amendments 5 and 59, and I support what he was trying to do. However, I agree with the cabinet secretary that amendments 5 and 59 represent alternatives to my amendments 52 and 54. Therefore, I ask the committee to support my amendments. As I said, I do not intend to move amendment 37.

Amendment 52 agreed to.

Amendment 32 moved—[Monica Lennon].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Monica Lennon

When we discussed the matter at stage 1, some examples were given—for example, if another pandemic like Covid-19 was to happen, or if an unusual event took place. I have not attempted to be prescriptive, but I think that the member will know the types of situations that I am talking about.

Members will have to take a view on whether they think that the “have regard to” duty is good enough and robust enough. In my view, it is pretty weak. I am offering a way to make the bill a little bit stronger, while still allowing space, if there are exceptional circumstances, for the Government to set out its reasons for departing from CCC advice.

In the interests of time, convener, I will not add to my remarks on my own amendments. I am not sure whether Brian Whittle’s amendment will be moved. I have listened to what Graham Simpson has said and, with regard to his amendment 1, I will say only that I do not disagree with the intention behind it, but I think that that aspect would be better placed in the climate change plan rather than in the budget.