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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

It is helpful to get that on the record.

I want to focus on biodiversity, for a moment. Does the panel have a view on whether sustaining biodiversity is a sufficient requirement, or should the bill require the land management plan to set out how the land is being used to increase biodiversity? Linda Gillespie is definitely looking away, so I am looking again at Josh Doble.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

I will press you a little further on that. Do you have a view on how specific the land management plan should be? I know that we do not want to give a long list of particular problems, but I am thinking about management in respect of deer or rhododendron, for example, which were mentioned in a debate in Parliament last week. Is that the kind of detail that you think would be required for the plans to be effective?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you for that.

You made a point about language that could be in the bill. I take your point about the phrase “large land holdings”. Do you want to expand on what you mean when you talk about “significant landholdings”? In the committee, we think about the meaning of words and their definitions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

I see that Linda Gillespie does not wish to comment. That is fine.

I will move on to land management plans. The plans are required to set out how the land is being managed in a way that contributes to achieving net zero, adapting to climate change and increasing or sustaining biodiversity. Is that adequate, or are there other criteria that it might be appropriate to include? Should those be addressed through primary or secondary legislation?

Josh Doble is again maintaining eye contact, so we will go to him.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

We have had evidence that suggests that large landholdings are more likely to attract private investment and deliver against woodland and peatland targets at pace and scale. Is that the witnesses’ view, or do you have a body of evidence or examples of smaller landholdings achieving that or working together to deliver at scale?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Jon, you have been nominated.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

If we have more small landholdings, is there more scope for collaboration and working differently?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

I will stick with land management plans. Is there a risk that production of the plans will become quite a formulaic exercise with a big role for external consultants, such that we start to lose meaningful engagement with communities? Does anyone have a view on that or any advice to the committee, as we look at this part of the bill?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

I just wanted to be clear about that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you for that.

To expand on my initial question that I put to all the witnesses, you might remember that, back in April, the Scottish Government announced a consultation on a new carbon tax on large estates to incentivise peatland restoration, tree planting and renewable energy generation. Do you have a view on that proposal? Do you agree or disagree that taxation is the best way to achieve decarbonising land use and agriculture? I do not know whether anyone has a strong view on that or wants to go first. I will go to Josh Doble, and then to Jon Hollingdale.

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