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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

The appraisal form says that the training was for a new member of staff.

Jamie Greene has a final question.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Before we finish, I have a final question for Michelle Quinn and Kersti Berge. Kersti, you mentioned the reviews. There is an independent review into WICS and, interestingly, an internal review of the Government’s sponsorship arrangements. I do not know whether that should not be the other way round, to coin a phrase. Anyway, Parliament was told that certainly the independent review would be published by late summer. I know that we have had a nice week of weather, but we are coming towards the end of summer. When do we expect that report to come out?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Can you tell me about the examples that the Grant Thornton report unearthed, which were about employees who booked their own travel? For example, if I were to be called to a meeting in London tomorrow, or if I needed to get to Stornoway on Saturday, I might, at such short notice, cut through the bureaucracy and just make my own booking. Why was a flight to Brasília, or Kigali, in business class, booked in the way that it was, and who did it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Right, okay. Let me move on. Another ambiguity that came out in the audit was on the application, or the interpretation, of the £75 gift threshold that had been set. Where have you got to with reviewing that? It seemed to have been applied in such a way that it looked as though people were trying to get around it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

One of the other areas highlighted in the Audit Scotland report, which is also brought out by the Grant Thornton review, is the whole policy on reimbursing people for meals. I do not quite understand some of the terminology around non-city meals, city meals and limits. Ms Quinn, we were told by Mr Brannen at the previous evidence session on the topic that the use of credit cards involves a no-drink policy. However, it is pretty obvious from the findings that have been unearthed by Grant Thornton that, unless people were eating huge amounts of food, a large proportion of those claims—some of them without receipts—were made for alcohol. Can you confirm that first of all?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Why would he be unsure of that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

So a meal at L’escargot Blanc in Edinburgh, where the cost was £140 per head and £315 of the total bill of £562 was spent on alcohol, is outwith your policy?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Was that the same KC throughout the 20 years, or did they change at any point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

If you have any more information on that, it might be useful.

Both our deputy convener and Graham Simpson want to come in with quick questions in this area. I will bring in Jamie Greene first, then I will come to Graham Simpson.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, Mr MacRae.