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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I am rather surprised at the analysis that, if you have a timeframe of 12 months for a review, it means that everyone is sidetracked into doing only that for 12 months. The whole basis of the Promise is meeting a promise by 2030. That is based on a date target, is it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Michael, you can ask one final question, but then we really need to move on.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you, director general. For the record, could I ask whether the Scottish Government accepts the findings and recommendations of the Audit Scotland and Accounts Commission report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. When I read the report, and even just hearing your opening statement, I could weep, because this goes back, as the report points out, to at least 2018, but also before that. I think of Mandy McLaren, who lost her son Dale, and Gillian Murray, who lost her uncle to suicide around the Carseview site. Those very traumatic and moving human stories drove the Government to establish the Strang review, which led to reports, although we reached a point where there were complaints about reviews on reviews without progress being seen.

I read the litany of conclusions that you draw about the single site provision and what a mess that appears to be, about complicated structures and about stakeholder engagement being unclear. These are all familiar themes that we have been around the circuit on so many times. Meanwhile, people are being failed. It really does feel as though no progress has been made in the course of seven or eight years.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I ask because I noticed that you issued a press release in which you said that you take the report “seriously”, and that

“As an organisation we will make sure to review all the recommendations.”

What does that mean?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, but, again, to be clear about it, the recommendations that are contained in the report set some very clear actions to be taken over the next six months, the next 12 months and so on. Do you intend to implement those recommendations?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

You will know better than most, Mr McKinlay, that there is a process involved in the production of one of these reports. I think that Ms Duncan refers to it in her letter of 4 September, which she has kindly shared with us and in which she talks about a “clearance draft”. She has given commentary on a clearance draft, pre-publication, as part of the process in which the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission very nobly invite the organisations that they are reporting on to give them any comment, presumably to fact-check and so on.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

You will understand that we are here this morning primarily to discuss the report produced by the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission, but if you wish to refer to other reports, we will, of course, listen.

Mr McKinlay, from the point of view of The Promise Scotland, do you accept the findings and recommendations of the report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thank you.

I said earlier that one of our committee members—Joe FitzPatrick—will be putting his questions to you via videolink, and I now invite him to ask his questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That draws this part of this morning’s agenda to a close. Mr Anderson, we do not normally have as many as seven witnesses, so if we did not get round to things that you wanted to raise—and this applies to you all—or if there are things that on reflection or contemporaneously you determine it would be useful for the committee to see, we are very happy to receive written submissions from you. Once again, thank you very much for your evidence this morning. I will now suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:14 Meeting suspended.  

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