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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Kersti Berge wants to come in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you—that was succinct.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I am sorry—“heroic leadership”?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is helpful and interesting. What you are saying is that that was not some unique deal struck by the former CEO and the then Government or the board or whatever. It would have been quite common across the Scottish public sector up to the year 2007, approximately.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

In 2005, there would have been other people who would have signed similar contracts to the one that Mr Sutherland signed up to, with similar terms, notice period and so on. That is helpful. If you could furnish us with more details on that, that would be extremely useful to us.

I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you for coming in on that. It was useful to get that on the record, director general.

I will turn to Graham Simpson for a final set of questions. You said that Colin Beattie had asked a fair question, Mr Hinds. All our questions are fair.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I am not going to allow us to get into individual cases here. This is not the appropriate forum to do that, just to be clear.

12:30  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, thanks. As I mentioned, the deputy convener has a final question. It might invite a yes or no answer.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. We have apologies this morning from committee member Stuart McMillan.

Under agenda item 1, does the committee agree to take agenda items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private this morning?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023/24”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report, “Administration of Scottish income tax 2023/24”. I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses this morning. We are joined by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle. Alongside the Auditor General are Carole Grant, an audit director, and Richard Robinson, a senior manager, both from Audit Scotland. I am also very pleased to welcome once again to the Public Audit Committee Gareth Davies, who is the Comptroller and Auditor General at the National Audit Office. Alongside Mr Davies is Darren Stewart, who is His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs financial audit director at the National Audit Office.

I think that you are aware that we are quite tight for time this morning. We have some important areas of ground that we want to cover with you, so if you are able to make your answers concise, that would be helpful—and I have leant on the committee to encourage concise questions. Before we get to those questions, I invite both Stephen Boyle and Gareth Davies to make opening statements. I will begin with you, Auditor General.