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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is helpful. Auditor General, you have again mentioned a lack of leadership. At what level is there a lack of leadership?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

The 2030 emissions reduction target has been dropped altogether, has it not?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

You said earlier that your assessment was that we are moving away from, rather than closer to, that target.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

As we mentioned at the session’s start, you sum it up in the report, which says that it is

“impossible to understand which interventions will have the most impact on the target or deliver the best value for money.”

Until we establish that, it seems to me that it is difficult to answer the questions that the deputy convener has been putting, because you are identifying a shortage of data, an absence of meaningful evaluations and things that are not being seen through the prism of meeting the target.

I will move on now. I invite Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

In the report, you say that it is

“not possible to see how the national target of 20 per cent will be achieved”,

but you also say that it is

“impossible to understand which interventions will have the most impact on the target or deliver the best value for money.”

That is quite a damning critique, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

In the report, you make the same point in relation to the evaluation of ScotRail’s experiment to remove peak fares, explicitly stating that the impact on car use of reinstating peak fares was not part of the evaluation. That is quite staggering, is it not?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is not an uncommon problem in the public sector.

You mention in your written submission that there are about 500 appeals per annum. To reflect on the figures that you have just given us, how many applications or approaches do you receive and what does that translate into? If there are about 90,000 requests, 500 appeals seems like a massive drop.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

What is that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thanks. I have one final area of questioning. I am here as a back-bench Labour MSP, but I am also the convener of the Public Audit Committee, and you mentioned conversations that you have had with the Auditor General for Scotland. Some of the points that you make in your written submission did ring some alarm bells with me. For example, first, you talk about being “financially hamstrung”. Secondly, when it comes to being more accountable, you say:

“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business.”

Thirdly, you speak about

“the disproportionality of the governance model”.

Propriety, accountability and governance are areas that regularly get public bodies into trouble, and they end up coming before the Public Audit Committee.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Did you say,

“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business”?