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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

The deputy convener has one final question to put to you, Auditor General. Jamie, over to you.

12:30  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes, I understand that. However, if that is the case and you all accept the findings and recommendations, why are we sitting here with a letter from the independent strategic adviser, who is also, I think, Mr McKinlay, the chair of The Promise Scotland, with some pretty harsh criticisms of the report. She says things such as that the report does not provide a

“constructive assessment of the wider landscape”,

or offer

“a realistic assessment of progress”.

That is a very harsh criticism of the report.

I do not understand how the person who chairs The Promise Scotland, who is the independent strategic adviser—presumably to the Scottish Government—has given such a damning criticism. There are two others, as well: she says that the report is not “acting as a catalyst”, and that it should “act as a catalyst”.

How do you reconcile that position, which has been expressed by the person who, among other things, is the chair of The Promise board and an adviser to the Scottish Government?

I will take Mr McKinlay first.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Colin, I think that Nicola Dickie and David Anderson want to come in on this question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 33rd meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first agenda item is for members of the committee to decide whether to take agenda items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Are we all agreed to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Mr Rennick, what is your view?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

We will get to that.

I turn to our representatives from COSLA. Do you accept the findings and recommendations of the report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I do not know whether you can answer this. Why was it that, when the Audit Scotland report was published, a joint press release, or a joint response, was put out by COSLA, the Scottish Government, the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers—senior local authority officials—and Fiona Duncan? Does COSLA not have any differentiated analysis of what has happened, where responsibility rests and so on?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Your example of the homelessness pathway was very clear. If we have time, we will come back to your other example.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Colin Beattie, do you have any further questions?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will now bring this agenda item to a close and take the opportunity to thank Eva Thomas-Tudo, Rachel Browne and the Auditor General for your evidence. Some things might require to be followed up, and the committee will need to consider in due course whether it will be appropriate to get in representatives from NHS Tayside and ask them further questions.

As agreed earlier by the committee, I now move the meeting into private session.

12:32 Meeting continued in private until 12:47.