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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Richard Leonard
I will end with a couple of questions about the money. If I read it correctly, the report seems to conclude that while overall total national education spending on schools rose between 2013-14 and 2018-19 by 0.7 per cent in real terms, there was quite a bit of variation within that. One of the things that struck me was that the report concluded that in those councils that were targeted for attainment Scotland funding, there was quite a variation.
For example鈥攌eep me right if I am wrong on this鈥攎y understanding is that with the exception of Glasgow City Council all the attainment challenge councils saw a drop in education spending in that period if you exclude the attainment Scotland funding. I thought that the attainment Scotland funding was meant to be additional, to tackle a particular problem. Do you have any reflections or comments on that and do you have a view about the impact on councils in which there was a reduction in the budget for mainstream operational spending?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Richard Leonard
I will come back to that point in a minute, but I wanted to ask about something else that is covered in your report. It would have been very fresh at the time of the report and we now have some benefit of a slightly longer view of it. Money was set aside to help with the logistics of schools reopening at the start of the year. I think that there was 拢50 million additional funding allocated to help schools reopen safely. At the time, as I recall, councils said that it was insufficient to do what we need to do, but I think the Scottish Government said that it was sufficient. Have you had an opportunity to review that to see whether somebody was right and somebody was wrong?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. This week, you made an important statement in a blog reflecting on 10 years since the Christie commission report was produced. If you do not mind me quoting you, because I think that it is important that this is on the record, I note that you warned that the country 鈥渞emains riven by inequalities鈥, but you also said that it remains the case that there is
鈥渁 major implementation gap between policy ambitions and delivery on the ground.鈥
With reference to this morning鈥檚 inquiry, you said that
鈥減rogress on closing the poverty-related attainment gap between the most and least deprived school pupils had been limited.鈥
That is a very powerful statement of how you see things. Could you reflect on that and perhaps outline for us what you think needs to change so that that huge implementation gap that you spoke about can be closed?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you, Mr Clark. I now turn to Sharon Dowey, who has a series of questions to ask.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you. Before I widen the questioning, there is one other thing that I want to come back to, which again was mentioned in your opening statement鈥攖he OECD report that came out in June this year, just a couple of months after your own report was produced. In the briefing note for today鈥檚 committee meeting, you say that there are some common themes between the conclusions you arrived at and the conclusions and recommendations that were made by the OECD. It would be useful for us to hear from you what those common themes are and whether there are clear recommendations that come from those common themes that would do what the report says we need to do. I think that we are all agreed on the need to improve outcomes for young people in a broader sense through school education.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Richard Leonard
I will open the questioning to the whole committee now, starting with Willie Coffey.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed.
On behalf of the committee, I thank Stephen Boyle and his team this morning鈥擜ntony Clark, Tricia Meldrum and Zoe McGuire鈥攆or keeping us informed and answering the questions that we put. We really appreciate your time and the work that you are doing.
I draw the public part of this morning鈥檚 committee to an end.
10:31 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 2 September 2021
Richard Leonard
On that note, I thank Stephen Boyle and Mark Roberts for their evidence this morning. It has been extremely illuminating and very helpful for us to understand your priorities and work programme, which will, in turn, feed into that of the committee. I thank you for your time.
10:15 Meeting continued in private until 10:43.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 2 September 2021
Richard Leonard
Surely not.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 2 September 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you.