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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Earlier, you mentioned the case of the Ethical Standards Commissioner from a couple of years ago that led you to lodge in the Parliament two section 22 reports, which are, in layman’s terms, reports on when things are going wrong. Can you tell us a bit more about that and say whether earlier interventions could have been made to prevent things from getting to the stage at which you, as the Auditor General, had to lodge those reports in the Parliament?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

What should the balance be between the two?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

It will not be regulating things itself.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Would they have any powers of enforcement, for example?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you—that is helpful.

I put the same question to Colin Smyth.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

On the question about an advocacy role versus a regulatory role, what do you think the balance would likely be?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

To go back to the question of proportionateness, I put to you the evidence that we heard from the Scottish Information Commissioner, who characterised the situation around audit as being

“a never-ending cycle of constant audit for us”.—[Official Report, SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee, 20 February 2025; c 16.]

Do you recognise that characterisation?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. In your written submission and in your answers to Lorna Slater, you referred to the Crerar review, which set out the purpose and the benefits of audit—namely:

“independent assurance that services are well-managed, safe and fit-for-purpose, and that public money is being used properly.”

Are those principles being fully applied in the case of the commissioner bodies that the committee is reviewing?