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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is an overarching target, but below that there are examples of other things that have been discontinued, dropped and so on.

I will ask a final question before I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you. How a Government with a £50 billion to £60 billion budget reconciles competing priorities has been the subject of debate and discussion at this committee before. For example, the expenditure on rail is going down but the expenditure on trunk roads is going up. If we have a target for reducing car kilometres that is to be met, how does all of that get reconciled—or does it?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I am conscious of the time and the need to get in two more groups of questions, but the deputy convener has some questions on the theme that we have been discussing.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the seventh meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Item 1 is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Item 2 is consideration of the joint report by the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission, “Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”.

I am pleased to welcome our witnesses: Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General, who is joined by Cornilius Chikwama, audit director, and Ashleigh Madjitey, audit manager, Audit Scotland. I am pleased to say that we are also joined by Malcolm Bell, who is representing the Accounts Commission. You are welcome to the committee, Mr Bell.

We have some questions to put to you on the report, Auditor General, but before we turn to them, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

In your opening statement, you repeated the conclusion that you reached in the report that

“It is unlikely that the Scottish Government will achieve its target … by 2030.”

Will you elaborate on why you reached that stark conclusion and whether the target was ever achievable?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Stick to the questions, Stuart.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

It does not escape the notice of this committee that it is senior elected politicians, up to and including previous First Ministers, who have declared a climate emergency and, presumably, have pronounced on the need to meet the 20 per cent reduction target by 2030. If there is a lack of leadership, we might draw the conclusion that there is a lack of political leadership as well as a lack of some kind of agency leadership among those who are charged with delivering on this.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to the Auditor General.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I have a final question. You are very blunt in your written submission and take a position that is contrary to Mr Hamilton’s. you say that having individual corporate HQs is a “non-affordable luxury”. That is a clear statement of your view, and you are very strong on the issue of sharing services—that comes through in your evidence this morning and in your written submission.

In your written evidence, you also allude to the fact that you are dealing with data about vulnerable adults, children and young people, and you talk about information rights. To what extent do you collaborate and work with those other commissions? If you are dealing with the treatment of the biometric data of young people below the age of 18 and so on, do you have conversations with the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland on issues that are relevant to that age group or with the Scottish Human Rights Commission on, for example, a human rights approach to some of these questions? What is the extent of your interaction?