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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, thank you very much indeed. I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Now I am a bit confused. You told us earlier that you accepted the findings of the report and now you are saying that there are elements of the findings that you do not agree with and that we will get on to those. We are getting mixed messages, Mr McKinlay.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I welcome our witnesses, who are with us in the committee room to give evidence on the Auditor General for Scotland and Accounts Commission report, “Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”. From the Scottish Government, we have Neil Rennick, director general education and justice; Andrew Watson, director for children and families; and Gavin Henderson, deputy director for care experience, children’s services and the Promise. We also welcome the chief executive of The Promise Scotland, Fraser McKinlay; and David Anderson, chair of the oversight board for keeping the Promise. Finally, from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, we are joined by two witnesses, Nicola Dickie, director of people policy; and Fiona Whitelock, policy manager for the Promise.

We have a number of questions to put to you, and I say at the outset that you do not all necessarily need to feel obliged to answer all the questions that we put. However, if you feel as though you have something relevant to say, please indicate and we will do our level best to bring you in. Before we get to any questions that we might have, director general, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I welcome everybody back. The next item on the agenda is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 22 report “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”. I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses. We are joined by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle. Good morning, Auditor General. Alongside the Auditor General is Rachel Browne, who is an audit director at Audit Scotland, and Eva Thomas-Tudo, who is an audit manager at Audit Scotland. The committee is also joined by Michael Marra for this evidence session on NHS Tayside, and I remind everyone that Joe FitzPatrick is joining us via videolink.

We have some questions, Auditor General, but before we get to those, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

The deputy convener has one final question to put to you, Auditor General. Jamie, over to you.

12:30  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes, I understand that. However, if that is the case and you all accept the findings and recommendations, why are we sitting here with a letter from the independent strategic adviser, who is also, I think, Mr McKinlay, the chair of The Promise Scotland, with some pretty harsh criticisms of the report. She says things such as that the report does not provide a

“constructive assessment of the wider landscape”,

or offer

“a realistic assessment of progress”.

That is a very harsh criticism of the report.

I do not understand how the person who chairs The Promise Scotland, who is the independent strategic adviser—presumably to the Scottish Government—has given such a damning criticism. There are two others, as well: she says that the report is not “acting as a catalyst”, and that it should “act as a catalyst”.

How do you reconcile that position, which has been expressed by the person who, among other things, is the chair of The Promise board and an adviser to the Scottish Government?

I will take Mr McKinlay first.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Colin, I think that Nicola Dickie and David Anderson want to come in on this question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 33rd meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first agenda item is for members of the committee to decide whether to take agenda items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Are we all agreed to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Mr Rennick, what is your view?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

We will get to that.

I turn to our representatives from COSLA. Do you accept the findings and recommendations of the report?