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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of National Records of Scotlandâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

I am sorry to interrupt, but I want to check something. We were told in the evidence session with Audit Scotland that you were now planning to access some of those data sharing sources. Are you saying that you have not done that or that you have no legal basis for doing it, and that it is not happening?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of National Records of Scotlandâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you for clearing that up.

I must ask you to try to keep your answers a little briefer. I suspect that you will be able to do that in the forthcoming sections. Again, please feel free to bring in members of your team if you think that they can add useful evidence to the gathering of information that we are embarked on.

I invite Craig Hoy to ask a number of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. We have a long series of questions. I begin straight away by inviting Sharon Dowey to ask her questions on one of the themes that you have identified: financial management.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

We now have some questions on a—[Inaudible.]—area of governmental roles, responsibilities and policy, which relates to resource and capital borrowing.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

That is understood, but your door is still open to further inquiry from an audit perspective into what has happened.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy wants to come in on this issue of fraud as well.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Colin Beattie, do you want to come in on the issue of social security fraud, or has that been covered already?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of National Records of Scotlandâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

We will return to the issue of the digital dimension, which Mr Lowe raised in his answers to Craig Hoy’s questions. I will come to Willie Coffey to ask questions on that. However, before that, I will bring in Colin Beattie to continue on the theme of the financial implications of the delay to the census.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of National Records of Scotlandâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Mr Lowe has frozen. I do not know whether we are able to—

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of National Records of Scotlandâ€

Meeting date: 20 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Yes, that is helpful. Nevertheless, I go back to the fact of the matter, which is that in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, the census went ahead in March 2021 and, as I read it, there was a 97 per cent participation rate. You made the point that Scotland had a different status at various points in the month of March 2021. That is clearly a factor but, notwithstanding that, we have been told that one reason why the ONS and the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency were able to go ahead was that they had access to other sources of administrative data, which I presume would be there for them to rely on to add texture to the returns from census day. Can you explain why NRS did not have access to those same sources of administrative data?